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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 07:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-advertorialized
WP:BLP of a composer, not
properly sourced as passing
WP:NMUSIC. There are things stated here that would be acceptable notability claims if they were referenced properly, but the article is entirely unsourced, and there's nothing stated here that would constitute an "inherent" notability freebie in the absence of any
WP:GNG-worthy sourcing. And the article has existed since 2006 without ever having any proper sources added to it except for inappropriate offsite links to the
self-published websites of organizations named in the body text, which had to be stripped as
WP:ELNO violations — so it's time to source it properly or lose it.
There's also a past prod in the edit history, which got the article deleted and then subsequently restored on an undeletion request by somebody with a username highly suggestive of being the article subject, which in turn raises
conflict of interest issues. As always, Wikipedia is not a free public relations platform on which people are entitled to have articles just because they exist; notability has to be demonstrated by third-party reliable source coverage analyzing the significance of their work, not just by verifying that their work exists. (For example, competitions only become notability claims to the extent that they can be referenced to media coverage in order to establish that the competition is seen as a significant one by the media, and do not become notability claims if they're primary sourced to the competition's own self-published content about itself.)
Bearcat (
talk)
17:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Bearcat ( talk) 17:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I failed to uncover enough evidence that the subject meets GNG. There are a few website matches, that appear to republish a bio provided by the subject. He gets a few lines in "A Laboratory for Sound" by Kimberley Marshall, in American Organist Magazine. Oct2020, Vol. 54 Issue 10, p54-56. "'Urban Wind' and the John Weinzweig Award" in Canadian Winds / Vents Canadiens. Spring2008, Vol. 6 Issue 2, p55 probably counts as one source towards meeting GNG, but I couldn'd find another. Please ping me if good sources are identified. BennyOnTheLoose ( talk) 10:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, already PROD'd, not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 19:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't see any meaingful coverage in RS's. NickCT ( talk) 20:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 07:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Trevor Grahl
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- Trevor Grahl ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Semi-advertorialized
WP:BLP of a composer, not
properly sourced as passing
WP:NMUSIC. There are things stated here that would be acceptable notability claims if they were referenced properly, but the article is entirely unsourced, and there's nothing stated here that would constitute an "inherent" notability freebie in the absence of any
WP:GNG-worthy sourcing. And the article has existed since 2006 without ever having any proper sources added to it except for inappropriate offsite links to the
self-published websites of organizations named in the body text, which had to be stripped as
WP:ELNO violations — so it's time to source it properly or lose it.
There's also a past prod in the edit history, which got the article deleted and then subsequently restored on an undeletion request by somebody with a username highly suggestive of being the article subject, which in turn raises
conflict of interest issues. As always, Wikipedia is not a free public relations platform on which people are entitled to have articles just because they exist; notability has to be demonstrated by third-party reliable source coverage analyzing the significance of their work, not just by verifying that their work exists. (For example, competitions only become notability claims to the extent that they can be referenced to media coverage in order to establish that the competition is seen as a significant one by the media, and do not become notability claims if they're primary sourced to the competition's own self-published content about itself.)
Bearcat (
talk)
17:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Bearcat ( talk) 17:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I failed to uncover enough evidence that the subject meets GNG. There are a few website matches, that appear to republish a bio provided by the subject. He gets a few lines in "A Laboratory for Sound" by Kimberley Marshall, in American Organist Magazine. Oct2020, Vol. 54 Issue 10, p54-56. "'Urban Wind' and the John Weinzweig Award" in Canadian Winds / Vents Canadiens. Spring2008, Vol. 6 Issue 2, p55 probably counts as one source towards meeting GNG, but I couldn'd find another. Please ping me if good sources are identified. BennyOnTheLoose ( talk) 10:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, already PROD'd, not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 19:16, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't see any meaingful coverage in RS's. NickCT ( talk) 20:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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