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The result was withdrawn. Trainor's website has updated to promote the new EP but at the bottom it still says "THE NEW ALBUM 'TREAT MYSELF' COMING SOON" so I'll withdraw this. Hopefully no one has an issue with this considering the AfD has not been supported by anyone. [1] (non-admin closure) N Ø 14:35, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Treat Myself
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Fails WP:NALBUMS and WP:TOOSOON - No confirmed tracklist, no confirmed release date, not even a confirmed release year for that matter. The "confirmed tracks" and "singles" section are speculation too since the lack of a tracklist leaves those unverifiable as well. Trainor is releasing an EP in three days with several of the songs originally intended for Treat Myself appearing on it. [2]. All in all, not only does this album have no claim to notability currently, but all of the information listed on this page is speculation, it should simply be a redirect to the Trainor article as of yet as a likely search term though. N Ø 06:53, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The album still has enough coverage to exist on its own. The album being delayed and not having a release date or track listing does not invalidate the previous news articles about it that are present on the article already, so there absolutely still is a claim to notability. If there weren't, it would be a candidate for speedy deletion. It also passes WP:NALBUMS because of its sufficient independent news coverage. There is no confirmation that all the songs that, at the time they were released were confirmed as being on the album, have been scrapped, or that Trainor has thrown all the intended tracks for it out. It's just been delayed, which happens to albums quite a lot. We're not speculating on its release date or year, so I believe it also steers clear of WP:TOOSOON stating that Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable content nor is it a crystal ball. It's fine to stay put as a "this was the status of the album and what was on it last we knew". Before I am accused of making WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments, let us just bear in mind that there are currently albums with mainspace articles that are basically in stasis with the last details we knew about them still intact because they've been delayed or the artist claims they have "retired", that were also nominated for deletion and kept. I mention these because this album's status is very much the same and can be considered on its own merits to be kept. If other details come to light, then we can change the articles. If they are explicitly cancelled, we can react accordingly. The EP's release does not invalidate the existence of the album either, because it's not intended as a replacement. If it were, then we would just move this to there. Ss 112 08:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Would like to add that albums are not necessarily considered notable by the sources present on the article, but that exist on the topic. It's very common to see "it's clearly notable, more sources could be added", and I think that applies here. This might not make sense to some editors, but that is the way it is in deletion discussions. Editors who disagree with this usually ask "if reliable sources exist on the topic, then why don't you add them to the article?" And it usually comes down to: pointing out topics are notable because there are reliable sources that exist on it is not then a responsibility to add them to the article. Ss 112 11:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- The references are about the singles, not the album. The only sources talking directly about the album are radio stations WJXA and Mix 94.7.-- N Ø 10:56, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep- There has been no confirmation of the album's cancellation, and other articles about albums currently stuck in a similar state of limbo have been kept, so there is a precedent. In addition, coverage for the album is sufficient and notable enough to keep it for the time being. Finally, just because an EP with some songs intended for the album is being released, it does not immediately erase the existence and notability of the album. Gemsweater1 ( talk) 01:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
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The result was withdrawn. Trainor's website has updated to promote the new EP but at the bottom it still says "THE NEW ALBUM 'TREAT MYSELF' COMING SOON" so I'll withdraw this. Hopefully no one has an issue with this considering the AfD has not been supported by anyone. [1] (non-admin closure) N Ø 14:35, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Treat Myself
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Fails WP:NALBUMS and WP:TOOSOON - No confirmed tracklist, no confirmed release date, not even a confirmed release year for that matter. The "confirmed tracks" and "singles" section are speculation too since the lack of a tracklist leaves those unverifiable as well. Trainor is releasing an EP in three days with several of the songs originally intended for Treat Myself appearing on it. [2]. All in all, not only does this album have no claim to notability currently, but all of the information listed on this page is speculation, it should simply be a redirect to the Trainor article as of yet as a likely search term though. N Ø 06:53, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:15, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The album still has enough coverage to exist on its own. The album being delayed and not having a release date or track listing does not invalidate the previous news articles about it that are present on the article already, so there absolutely still is a claim to notability. If there weren't, it would be a candidate for speedy deletion. It also passes WP:NALBUMS because of its sufficient independent news coverage. There is no confirmation that all the songs that, at the time they were released were confirmed as being on the album, have been scrapped, or that Trainor has thrown all the intended tracks for it out. It's just been delayed, which happens to albums quite a lot. We're not speculating on its release date or year, so I believe it also steers clear of WP:TOOSOON stating that Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable content nor is it a crystal ball. It's fine to stay put as a "this was the status of the album and what was on it last we knew". Before I am accused of making WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments, let us just bear in mind that there are currently albums with mainspace articles that are basically in stasis with the last details we knew about them still intact because they've been delayed or the artist claims they have "retired", that were also nominated for deletion and kept. I mention these because this album's status is very much the same and can be considered on its own merits to be kept. If other details come to light, then we can change the articles. If they are explicitly cancelled, we can react accordingly. The EP's release does not invalidate the existence of the album either, because it's not intended as a replacement. If it were, then we would just move this to there. Ss 112 08:00, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Would like to add that albums are not necessarily considered notable by the sources present on the article, but that exist on the topic. It's very common to see "it's clearly notable, more sources could be added", and I think that applies here. This might not make sense to some editors, but that is the way it is in deletion discussions. Editors who disagree with this usually ask "if reliable sources exist on the topic, then why don't you add them to the article?" And it usually comes down to: pointing out topics are notable because there are reliable sources that exist on it is not then a responsibility to add them to the article. Ss 112 11:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- The references are about the singles, not the album. The only sources talking directly about the album are radio stations WJXA and Mix 94.7.-- N Ø 10:56, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep- There has been no confirmation of the album's cancellation, and other articles about albums currently stuck in a similar state of limbo have been kept, so there is a precedent. In addition, coverage for the album is sufficient and notable enough to keep it for the time being. Finally, just because an EP with some songs intended for the album is being released, it does not immediately erase the existence and notability of the album. Gemsweater1 ( talk) 01:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
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