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The result was send to draft. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Trae Coyle
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PROD contested by article creator, no reason given. Fails WP:GNG (no significant coverage) and WP:NFOOTBALL (no professional appearances). Will likely become notable later in the year when the football season starts again, but WP:CRYSTAL applies and a draft already exists which pre-dates the mainspace creation. Giant Snowman 11:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 11:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Commment Hang on, you are nominating it for deletion, despite claiming they'll likely be notable in a few weeks?? I don't see anything in Drafts. A quick Google News search yields an astonishing 4530 hits. While I haven't had a chance to go through thousands of articles yet ... I'm not feeling the delete here. Nfitz ( talk) 11:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- They might be notable in a few weeks, they might not be. We are not a crystal ball, we cannot keep on the assumption.
- The draft is literally linked in my nomination.
- Yep, lots of routine transfer news and lots from fan websites. Anything reliable and significant? No.
Giant
Snowman
11:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Lol, out of boredom/interest I've just Googled myself using the same method as above. I get nearly 8,000 results. Does that make notable?
Giant
Snowman
14:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I missed the draft link. But that's not draftspace ... I'm not sure I'd call something in Userspace a "draft". Why not put something like that in draft space to avoid duplication? And ... it seems odd to me, to be creating articles in userspace, but then AFDing an attempt to create the article elsewhere ... I don't see how this is constructive. But also ... hang on ... you have 4500 hits for your name, in quotes, in Google News (not Google, but Google News). Unless your name is John Smith or Steve Jones ... that seems odd ... my name isn't uncommon, but I only see 80 hits - and unlike Trae Coyle (which is surely an unusual name), they aren't me. But they all look like him. No, it doesn't make him notable ...but I haven't had a chance to look through them. Nfitz ( talk) 20:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Lol, out of boredom/interest I've just Googled myself using the same method as above. I get nearly 8,000 results. Does that make notable?
Giant
Snowman
14:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Question GS, Can I ask why you don't histmerge the two together and move it into draft space. Govvy ( talk) 18:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep. There is coverage but not much. So far, the best seems to be this and this but, if that is deemed insufficient, then I'd suggest merging this into the draft so as not to lose the work done so far. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 18:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- That is routine transfer news, not significant - does not go towards GNG. Giant Snowman 19:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep The article above that DanielRigal mentions is not routine transfer news. It's a a significant in-depth piece, that predates doesn't even mention the possibility of his transfer to Gillingham and meets GNG. And as far as routine transfers, there's been a huge amount of coverage of a supposedly routine transfer, worldwide - even in Viet Nam and India. Nfitz ( talk) 05:19, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ok so of the 5,000 or whatever pieces about him you found, only one is "significant"? WP:THREEREFS applies - where's the rest? There isn't any because he isn't currently notable. Giant Snowman 10:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 17:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 17:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Draftify/userfy - player is highly likely to make his pro debut in three weeks' time. As a Gillingham supported I am happy to have it put into my user space and return it to mainspace as and when he plays -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- @
ChrisTheDude: - there is already an older version in draft space -
User:GiantSnowman/Trae Coyle.
Giant
Snowman
20:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- User page space, isn't draft space, precludes collaborative editing, and makes it impossible for other editors to be easily aware that a version exists. If this article is to be deleted, it should be moved to Draft:Trae Coyle. Nfitz ( talk) 05:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Draft he will almost certainly make his debut next month. So I would say, move the article to draft space until that happens. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 14:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - just looking at pre-season reports for Gillingham F.C., and he's been part of the starting 11 per this. And they start the season with a fully-professional 2020–21 EFL Cup match against Southend United F.C. in less than 6 days. I'd suggest that we apply WP:NORUSH and relist this for another week, or else we may end up draftifying it, and then restoring it a couple of days later. Nfitz ( talk) 22:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you think playing in pre-season friendlies is an indication of notability then I suggest you give your head a wobble.
Giant
Snowman
07:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- The lack of AGF and WP:CIVIL here from User:GiantSnowman is both stunning and shameful! Of course it doesn't indicate notability - I never said it did. It may however, indicate (along with the words I didn't quote) that they are intended to be part of the first team. While this doesn't justify creating an article, it more than justifies rushing into closure! Please stop this unnecessary sniping and apologize! Nfitz ( talk) 16:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you think playing in pre-season friendlies is an indication of notability then I suggest you give your head a wobble.
Giant
Snowman
07:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was send to draft. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Trae Coyle
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PROD contested by article creator, no reason given. Fails WP:GNG (no significant coverage) and WP:NFOOTBALL (no professional appearances). Will likely become notable later in the year when the football season starts again, but WP:CRYSTAL applies and a draft already exists which pre-dates the mainspace creation. Giant Snowman 11:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 11:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Commment Hang on, you are nominating it for deletion, despite claiming they'll likely be notable in a few weeks?? I don't see anything in Drafts. A quick Google News search yields an astonishing 4530 hits. While I haven't had a chance to go through thousands of articles yet ... I'm not feeling the delete here. Nfitz ( talk) 11:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- They might be notable in a few weeks, they might not be. We are not a crystal ball, we cannot keep on the assumption.
- The draft is literally linked in my nomination.
- Yep, lots of routine transfer news and lots from fan websites. Anything reliable and significant? No.
Giant
Snowman
11:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Lol, out of boredom/interest I've just Googled myself using the same method as above. I get nearly 8,000 results. Does that make notable?
Giant
Snowman
14:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I missed the draft link. But that's not draftspace ... I'm not sure I'd call something in Userspace a "draft". Why not put something like that in draft space to avoid duplication? And ... it seems odd to me, to be creating articles in userspace, but then AFDing an attempt to create the article elsewhere ... I don't see how this is constructive. But also ... hang on ... you have 4500 hits for your name, in quotes, in Google News (not Google, but Google News). Unless your name is John Smith or Steve Jones ... that seems odd ... my name isn't uncommon, but I only see 80 hits - and unlike Trae Coyle (which is surely an unusual name), they aren't me. But they all look like him. No, it doesn't make him notable ...but I haven't had a chance to look through them. Nfitz ( talk) 20:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Lol, out of boredom/interest I've just Googled myself using the same method as above. I get nearly 8,000 results. Does that make notable?
Giant
Snowman
14:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Question GS, Can I ask why you don't histmerge the two together and move it into draft space. Govvy ( talk) 18:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep. There is coverage but not much. So far, the best seems to be this and this but, if that is deemed insufficient, then I'd suggest merging this into the draft so as not to lose the work done so far. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 18:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- That is routine transfer news, not significant - does not go towards GNG. Giant Snowman 19:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:56, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The article above that DanielRigal mentions is not routine transfer news. It's a a significant in-depth piece, that predates doesn't even mention the possibility of his transfer to Gillingham and meets GNG. And as far as routine transfers, there's been a huge amount of coverage of a supposedly routine transfer, worldwide - even in Viet Nam and India. Nfitz ( talk) 05:19, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ok so of the 5,000 or whatever pieces about him you found, only one is "significant"? WP:THREEREFS applies - where's the rest? There isn't any because he isn't currently notable. Giant Snowman 10:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 17:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 17:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- Draftify/userfy - player is highly likely to make his pro debut in three weeks' time. As a Gillingham supported I am happy to have it put into my user space and return it to mainspace as and when he plays -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 20:30, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- @
ChrisTheDude: - there is already an older version in draft space -
User:GiantSnowman/Trae Coyle.
Giant
Snowman
20:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
- User page space, isn't draft space, precludes collaborative editing, and makes it impossible for other editors to be easily aware that a version exists. If this article is to be deleted, it should be moved to Draft:Trae Coyle. Nfitz ( talk) 05:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
- Draft he will almost certainly make his debut next month. So I would say, move the article to draft space until that happens. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 14:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - just looking at pre-season reports for Gillingham F.C., and he's been part of the starting 11 per this. And they start the season with a fully-professional 2020–21 EFL Cup match against Southend United F.C. in less than 6 days. I'd suggest that we apply WP:NORUSH and relist this for another week, or else we may end up draftifying it, and then restoring it a couple of days later. Nfitz ( talk) 22:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you think playing in pre-season friendlies is an indication of notability then I suggest you give your head a wobble.
Giant
Snowman
07:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- The lack of AGF and WP:CIVIL here from User:GiantSnowman is both stunning and shameful! Of course it doesn't indicate notability - I never said it did. It may however, indicate (along with the words I didn't quote) that they are intended to be part of the first team. While this doesn't justify creating an article, it more than justifies rushing into closure! Please stop this unnecessary sniping and apologize! Nfitz ( talk) 16:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- If you think playing in pre-season friendlies is an indication of notability then I suggest you give your head a wobble.
Giant
Snowman
07:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.