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The result was keep. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 13:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
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fails WP:GNG. whilst an annual race, it's amateur and noneonly one of the place getters in its history are notable.
LibStar (
talk)
08:02, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- I've changed to one of the place getters being notable but he seems more notable for sailing. LibStar ( talk) 07:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - This is the most important cycling race in the Faroe Islands. Is the English Wikipedia only for English speaking countries? The Faroese media cover this event, but they don't write about "Tour of Faroe Islands", they write about "Kring Føroyar", which is the Faroese name of the event. The current name is "Volvo Kring Føroyar" for sponsor reasons. The latest vinner, Torkil Veyhe, is Faroese but is living in Denmark, where he is a professional cyclist. A few days ago he won a gold medal at the 2015 Island Games in the men's individual time trial. islandgamesresults.com - Men's Individual Time Trial EileenSanda ( talk) 13:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- would Torkil Veyhe qualify for notability under Wikipedia:ATH#Cycling? LibStar ( talk) 04:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- like anything in Wikipedia it needs significant coverage (in any language). This one doesn't get that coverage.
LibStar (
talk)
13:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- When I search on google for "Kring Føroyar" I get 5840 results.
EileenSanda (
talk)
13:54, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- refer
WP:GOOGLEHITS.
LibStar (
talk)
13:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not relevant since it does not appear that
WP:BEFORE was followed, cf. my recent addition of 25 references. Is this yet another case of
nom not speaking or understanding the source language? --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
11:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth, for example merely confirming what date the race is on doesn't establish notability nor reporting who won.
LibStar (
talk)
11:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- From nom's lack of reply to my question I presume this is another case where they do not understand the source language. That and the fact that nom's reply above comes 7 minutes after my question does not suggest they have read, translated and understood many if any of the 25 added references. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:59, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth, for example merely confirming what date the race is on doesn't establish notability nor reporting who won.
LibStar (
talk)
11:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not relevant since it does not appear that
WP:BEFORE was followed, cf. my recent addition of 25 references. Is this yet another case of
nom not speaking or understanding the source language? --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
11:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- refer
WP:GOOGLEHITS.
LibStar (
talk)
13:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- When I search on google for "Kring Føroyar" I get 5840 results.
EileenSanda (
talk)
13:54, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- I looked at some of them for example at least 2 merely confirmed what date it was held. A few others confirmed placegetters. I will look at them all in the coming few days. There is no rule in Wikipedia where someone can't nominate articles based on a foreign language despite what you persistently think. Regards
LibStar (
talk)
12:28, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I neither thought so nor did I say so. Stick to the facts, can you? I notice that you stated above that "a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth" and now specify that as "at least 2". Thanks for confirming what I assumed: you haven't looked at the sources to an extent that gives you any ability to judge notability. This you should have done
WP:BEFORE considering nomination. And in common with your likewise drive-by tagging of
Super16 (film school) and your failed
nomination, you do not appear to speak the source language here. I suggest you withdraw the nomination. --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
13:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I will not simply withdraw the nomination simply because you are becoming aggressive and pushy and obvious can't get over the super 16 article. Suggest you
WP:CHILL
LibStar (
talk)
13:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Again try to stick to the subject rather than what you imagine ("you persistently think") or what your feel ("becoming aggressive and pushy"): you have again nominated an article where you do not speak the source language and where you have not done your homework. It's a waste of community time. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:35, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I will not simply withdraw the nomination simply because you are becoming aggressive and pushy and obvious can't get over the super 16 article. Suggest you
WP:CHILL
LibStar (
talk)
13:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I neither thought so nor did I say so. Stick to the facts, can you? I notice that you stated above that "a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth" and now specify that as "at least 2". Thanks for confirming what I assumed: you haven't looked at the sources to an extent that gives you any ability to judge notability. This you should have done
WP:BEFORE considering nomination. And in common with your likewise drive-by tagging of
Super16 (film school) and your failed
nomination, you do not appear to speak the source language here. I suggest you withdraw the nomination. --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
13:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
as I said increasingly pushy and there is also no rule prohibiting nominations of articles based on a foreign language despite what you wrongly and persistently think. LibStar ( talk) 13:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- in fact let's wait for a response asking for withdrawal of nomination or recycling the foreign language argument. Yawn. LibStar ( talk) 13:46, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Also see this related previous AfD. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep I've added a bunch of references and there's plenty of sources to meet GNG. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- while it looks like a lot of sources references 7 to 29 merely confirm winners and place getters, rather than in-depth coverage of the race. If these winners were notable riders that would add to notability but none of them are.
LibStar (
talk)
13:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Certainly not. You need to read a lot better on the sources. And the notability of individual riders has nothing to do with the notability of the event. INHERITED springs to mind. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- while it looks like a lot of sources references 7 to 29 merely confirm winners and place getters, rather than in-depth coverage of the race. If these winners were notable riders that would add to notability but none of them are.
LibStar (
talk)
13:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I've edited a lot of sporting event articles and I would think all of them have notable participants. LibStar ( talk) 13:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Comment on sources
this one and
this looks like primary sources by event organisers or Faroese sporting site/cycling club and also is
WP:ROUTINE as it just confirms event details.
this one merely confirms event details. 27 and 28 merely confirm the event was cancelled, so I can't see how that increases notability of the event. As previously stated, most of the coverage from 7-31 merely confirms non notable place getters.
LibStar (
talk)
03:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: Hafsteinn Geirsson seem like a notable person, if that should matter so much in order to keep this article. The article about him only mentions his career as a sailor, he has attended the Olympics. But I also find Icelandic sources which claim that he is one of Icelands best cyclists. By looking at photos of the sailor and the cyclist it looks as it is the same person. [1]. In the Faroes all the winners of this tour are considered notable sports persons. I am not so familiar with Icelandic, but the references I find about Hafsteinn indicate that he is notable in Iceland both as a sailor and as a cyclist. Regards EileenSanda ( talk) 07:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- thanks for your comments, I appreciate your nice attitude to this AfD unlike some. you say "In the Faroes all the winners of this tour are considered notable sports persons" that is not the same as being notable in Wikipedia.
LibStar (
talk)
07:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- And you have no commont on Hafsteinn who has participated at the Olympics and who is a notable sailor and cyclist from Iceland? EileenSanda ( talk) 08:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Both Torkil Veyhe
[2] and Rógvi Johansen
[3] have won medals in cycling at the
Island Games, do you consider that notable?
EileenSanda (
talk)
08:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- they don't appear to meet
Wikipedia:ATH#Cycling.
LibStar (
talk)
08:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- That rule you refer to also says: Won Gold at an international multi-sport event (games) (also includes races like the World University Cycling Championship); Well, Torkil Veyhe won gold at the Island Games. EileenSanda ( talk) 08:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- they don't appear to meet
Wikipedia:ATH#Cycling.
LibStar (
talk)
08:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- thanks for your comments, I appreciate your nice attitude to this AfD unlike some. you say "In the Faroes all the winners of this tour are considered notable sports persons" that is not the same as being notable in Wikipedia.
LibStar (
talk)
07:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Even if they are notable, this race is still classed as amateur and most competitors are amateur. LibStar ( talk) 16:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep there are blue-linked cyclists participating. there is news coverage. the page is solidly sourced. granted, this is not the biggest race on the planet, let alone the biggest archipelago. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 13:19, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
- Tour of Faroe Islands ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
fails WP:GNG. whilst an annual race, it's amateur and noneonly one of the place getters in its history are notable.
LibStar (
talk)
08:02, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- I've changed to one of the place getters being notable but he seems more notable for sailing. LibStar ( talk) 07:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - This is the most important cycling race in the Faroe Islands. Is the English Wikipedia only for English speaking countries? The Faroese media cover this event, but they don't write about "Tour of Faroe Islands", they write about "Kring Føroyar", which is the Faroese name of the event. The current name is "Volvo Kring Føroyar" for sponsor reasons. The latest vinner, Torkil Veyhe, is Faroese but is living in Denmark, where he is a professional cyclist. A few days ago he won a gold medal at the 2015 Island Games in the men's individual time trial. islandgamesresults.com - Men's Individual Time Trial EileenSanda ( talk) 13:30, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- would Torkil Veyhe qualify for notability under Wikipedia:ATH#Cycling? LibStar ( talk) 04:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- like anything in Wikipedia it needs significant coverage (in any language). This one doesn't get that coverage.
LibStar (
talk)
13:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- When I search on google for "Kring Føroyar" I get 5840 results.
EileenSanda (
talk)
13:54, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- refer
WP:GOOGLEHITS.
LibStar (
talk)
13:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not relevant since it does not appear that
WP:BEFORE was followed, cf. my recent addition of 25 references. Is this yet another case of
nom not speaking or understanding the source language? --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
11:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth, for example merely confirming what date the race is on doesn't establish notability nor reporting who won.
LibStar (
talk)
11:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- From nom's lack of reply to my question I presume this is another case where they do not understand the source language. That and the fact that nom's reply above comes 7 minutes after my question does not suggest they have read, translated and understood many if any of the 25 added references. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:59, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth, for example merely confirming what date the race is on doesn't establish notability nor reporting who won.
LibStar (
talk)
11:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not relevant since it does not appear that
WP:BEFORE was followed, cf. my recent addition of 25 references. Is this yet another case of
nom not speaking or understanding the source language? --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
11:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- refer
WP:GOOGLEHITS.
LibStar (
talk)
13:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- When I search on google for "Kring Føroyar" I get 5840 results.
EileenSanda (
talk)
13:54, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- I looked at some of them for example at least 2 merely confirmed what date it was held. A few others confirmed placegetters. I will look at them all in the coming few days. There is no rule in Wikipedia where someone can't nominate articles based on a foreign language despite what you persistently think. Regards
LibStar (
talk)
12:28, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I neither thought so nor did I say so. Stick to the facts, can you? I notice that you stated above that "a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth" and now specify that as "at least 2". Thanks for confirming what I assumed: you haven't looked at the sources to an extent that gives you any ability to judge notability. This you should have done
WP:BEFORE considering nomination. And in common with your likewise drive-by tagging of
Super16 (film school) and your failed
nomination, you do not appear to speak the source language here. I suggest you withdraw the nomination. --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
13:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I will not simply withdraw the nomination simply because you are becoming aggressive and pushy and obvious can't get over the super 16 article. Suggest you
WP:CHILL
LibStar (
talk)
13:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Again try to stick to the subject rather than what you imagine ("you persistently think") or what your feel ("becoming aggressive and pushy"): you have again nominated an article where you do not speak the source language and where you have not done your homework. It's a waste of community time. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:35, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I will not simply withdraw the nomination simply because you are becoming aggressive and pushy and obvious can't get over the super 16 article. Suggest you
WP:CHILL
LibStar (
talk)
13:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- I neither thought so nor did I say so. Stick to the facts, can you? I notice that you stated above that "a lot of supplied sources are not in-depth" and now specify that as "at least 2". Thanks for confirming what I assumed: you haven't looked at the sources to an extent that gives you any ability to judge notability. This you should have done
WP:BEFORE considering nomination. And in common with your likewise drive-by tagging of
Super16 (film school) and your failed
nomination, you do not appear to speak the source language here. I suggest you withdraw the nomination. --
Sam Sailor
Talk!
13:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
as I said increasingly pushy and there is also no rule prohibiting nominations of articles based on a foreign language despite what you wrongly and persistently think. LibStar ( talk) 13:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- in fact let's wait for a response asking for withdrawal of nomination or recycling the foreign language argument. Yawn. LibStar ( talk) 13:46, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Also see this related previous AfD. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cycling-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 21:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 21:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 21:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep I've added a bunch of references and there's plenty of sources to meet GNG. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 11:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- while it looks like a lot of sources references 7 to 29 merely confirm winners and place getters, rather than in-depth coverage of the race. If these winners were notable riders that would add to notability but none of them are.
LibStar (
talk)
13:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Certainly not. You need to read a lot better on the sources. And the notability of individual riders has nothing to do with the notability of the event. INHERITED springs to mind. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 13:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- while it looks like a lot of sources references 7 to 29 merely confirm winners and place getters, rather than in-depth coverage of the race. If these winners were notable riders that would add to notability but none of them are.
LibStar (
talk)
13:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
I've edited a lot of sporting event articles and I would think all of them have notable participants. LibStar ( talk) 13:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
- Comment on sources
this one and
this looks like primary sources by event organisers or Faroese sporting site/cycling club and also is
WP:ROUTINE as it just confirms event details.
this one merely confirms event details. 27 and 28 merely confirm the event was cancelled, so I can't see how that increases notability of the event. As previously stated, most of the coverage from 7-31 merely confirms non notable place getters.
LibStar (
talk)
03:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: Hafsteinn Geirsson seem like a notable person, if that should matter so much in order to keep this article. The article about him only mentions his career as a sailor, he has attended the Olympics. But I also find Icelandic sources which claim that he is one of Icelands best cyclists. By looking at photos of the sailor and the cyclist it looks as it is the same person. [1]. In the Faroes all the winners of this tour are considered notable sports persons. I am not so familiar with Icelandic, but the references I find about Hafsteinn indicate that he is notable in Iceland both as a sailor and as a cyclist. Regards EileenSanda ( talk) 07:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- thanks for your comments, I appreciate your nice attitude to this AfD unlike some. you say "In the Faroes all the winners of this tour are considered notable sports persons" that is not the same as being notable in Wikipedia.
LibStar (
talk)
07:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- And you have no commont on Hafsteinn who has participated at the Olympics and who is a notable sailor and cyclist from Iceland? EileenSanda ( talk) 08:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Both Torkil Veyhe
[2] and Rógvi Johansen
[3] have won medals in cycling at the
Island Games, do you consider that notable?
EileenSanda (
talk)
08:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- they don't appear to meet
Wikipedia:ATH#Cycling.
LibStar (
talk)
08:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- That rule you refer to also says: Won Gold at an international multi-sport event (games) (also includes races like the World University Cycling Championship); Well, Torkil Veyhe won gold at the Island Games. EileenSanda ( talk) 08:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- they don't appear to meet
Wikipedia:ATH#Cycling.
LibStar (
talk)
08:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- thanks for your comments, I appreciate your nice attitude to this AfD unlike some. you say "In the Faroes all the winners of this tour are considered notable sports persons" that is not the same as being notable in Wikipedia.
LibStar (
talk)
07:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Even if they are notable, this race is still classed as amateur and most competitors are amateur. LibStar ( talk) 16:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep there are blue-linked cyclists participating. there is news coverage. the page is solidly sourced. granted, this is not the biggest race on the planet, let alone the biggest archipelago. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.