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The result was keep. PhantomSteve/ talk¦ contribs\ 10:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Contested PROD. Has no visible verifiable references from reliable sources. — Jeff G. ツ 02:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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- visible ? Have you done a WP:BEFORE ? Atlantic306 ( talk) 02:41, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep
Redirect to Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner#List of cartoons, I could find one review for this, but it is from a user-generated website so it cannot contribute to notability. Here: [1] is the source if anyone can say otherwise. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 08:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)changing my vote to Keep per the sources found by Toughpigs, while I am still a little iffy on the status of the first source given I cannot access it and it is not used to support all that much within the article, I will take them at their word that it helps this article pass GNG. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 23:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC) - Keep I added references from two sources, backing up real-world information in the article:
- Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies: A Complete Illustrated Guide to the Warner Bros. Cartoons by Jerry Beck and Will Friedwald, Henry Holt & Co (1989)
- "The Spotlight Cartoon Archive: To Beep or Not to Beep" by Jon Cooke, The Internet Animation Database
- I also cut down the plot description quite a bit. I think that this helps to demonstrate notability. —
Toughpigs (
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17:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Is the Internet Animation Database a reliable source? I looked through the website, and it said that you must be a 'researcher' to add content like the review cited, but it also said "We're always looking for people who are either knowledgeable about animation or have access to studio records to help us find animation, this can be as simple as having video copies where credits can be found" under the 'Become a researcher' section. That sounds a lot like an open-access website, and it does not exactly look reliable. Also, the review in question is apparently reproduced from a defunct website called GAC, what was that exactly?
Devonian Wombat (
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21:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- The Internet Animation Database is a well-respected internet knowledge base. They've got a three-tier system for who can add to the site -- regular users can just post comments and ratings, researchers have special knowledge of animation, and admins curate the site. They specifically mention IMDb as an unreliable site that they don't want to model theirs on. :) You can read more here. The GAC was a "Golden Age of Cartoons" site that was also well-respected in its time; you can read more here. — Toughpigs ( talk) 23:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Is the Internet Animation Database a reliable source? I looked through the website, and it said that you must be a 'researcher' to add content like the review cited, but it also said "We're always looking for people who are either knowledgeable about animation or have access to studio records to help us find animation, this can be as simple as having video copies where credits can be found" under the 'Become a researcher' section. That sounds a lot like an open-access website, and it does not exactly look reliable. Also, the review in question is apparently reproduced from a defunct website called GAC, what was that exactly?
Devonian Wombat (
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21:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Hmmm. I am willing to assume this nomination does not represent Jeff G.'s best work, and that they usually do a better job. I clicked on the handy search links above, and found that scholars wrote about this episode. Sorry Jeff G, but I think this nomination shows a clear lapse from compliance with WP:BEFORE. I added a couple of links to a couple of those articles. Geo Swan ( talk) 19:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. I think enough has been identified to justify an article. -- Michig ( talk) 09:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Messy Thinking ( talk) 00:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC) As long as the core details of the cartoon are preserved (and doesn't go off on any kind of TV Tropes tangent), this is a justifiable article. Hardly matters whether you used IAD, IMDb, TV Tropes, or any two, for your references.
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The result was keep. PhantomSteve/ talk¦ contribs\ 10:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Contested PROD. Has no visible verifiable references from reliable sources. — Jeff G. ツ 02:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 02:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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- visible ? Have you done a WP:BEFORE ? Atlantic306 ( talk) 02:41, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep
Redirect to Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner#List of cartoons, I could find one review for this, but it is from a user-generated website so it cannot contribute to notability. Here: [1] is the source if anyone can say otherwise. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 08:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)changing my vote to Keep per the sources found by Toughpigs, while I am still a little iffy on the status of the first source given I cannot access it and it is not used to support all that much within the article, I will take them at their word that it helps this article pass GNG. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 23:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC) - Keep I added references from two sources, backing up real-world information in the article:
- Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies: A Complete Illustrated Guide to the Warner Bros. Cartoons by Jerry Beck and Will Friedwald, Henry Holt & Co (1989)
- "The Spotlight Cartoon Archive: To Beep or Not to Beep" by Jon Cooke, The Internet Animation Database
- I also cut down the plot description quite a bit. I think that this helps to demonstrate notability. —
Toughpigs (
talk)
17:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Is the Internet Animation Database a reliable source? I looked through the website, and it said that you must be a 'researcher' to add content like the review cited, but it also said "We're always looking for people who are either knowledgeable about animation or have access to studio records to help us find animation, this can be as simple as having video copies where credits can be found" under the 'Become a researcher' section. That sounds a lot like an open-access website, and it does not exactly look reliable. Also, the review in question is apparently reproduced from a defunct website called GAC, what was that exactly?
Devonian Wombat (
talk)
21:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- The Internet Animation Database is a well-respected internet knowledge base. They've got a three-tier system for who can add to the site -- regular users can just post comments and ratings, researchers have special knowledge of animation, and admins curate the site. They specifically mention IMDb as an unreliable site that they don't want to model theirs on. :) You can read more here. The GAC was a "Golden Age of Cartoons" site that was also well-respected in its time; you can read more here. — Toughpigs ( talk) 23:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Is the Internet Animation Database a reliable source? I looked through the website, and it said that you must be a 'researcher' to add content like the review cited, but it also said "We're always looking for people who are either knowledgeable about animation or have access to studio records to help us find animation, this can be as simple as having video copies where credits can be found" under the 'Become a researcher' section. That sounds a lot like an open-access website, and it does not exactly look reliable. Also, the review in question is apparently reproduced from a defunct website called GAC, what was that exactly?
Devonian Wombat (
talk)
21:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Hmmm. I am willing to assume this nomination does not represent Jeff G.'s best work, and that they usually do a better job. I clicked on the handy search links above, and found that scholars wrote about this episode. Sorry Jeff G, but I think this nomination shows a clear lapse from compliance with WP:BEFORE. I added a couple of links to a couple of those articles. Geo Swan ( talk) 19:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. I think enough has been identified to justify an article. -- Michig ( talk) 09:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Messy Thinking ( talk) 00:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC) As long as the core details of the cartoon are preserved (and doesn't go off on any kind of TV Tropes tangent), this is a justifiable article. Hardly matters whether you used IAD, IMDb, TV Tropes, or any two, for your references.
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