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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat ( talk) 00:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Tiny the Terrible
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It looks like this was made by a single purpose account that was also used to make articles about the Tiny the Terrible documentary A Man Among Giants and its director Rod Webber and has only edited articles about those topics. Take a look at its edits. This supposedly well known wrestler has no major coverage outside of Boston, MA publications The Boston Globe and The Boston Herald. He has never been the subject of a national publication, let alone an international one. This attempted politician has never won an election, and even though the article calls him a "former WWE pro-wrestler," his professional wrestling career has never included a full-time run in a major company like WWE. Hundreds of thousands of people have appeared as extras on WWE TV and this is just one of those people. This person does not meet wikipedia's Notability standards and also seems to violate wikipedia's rules to not be written by a subject close to the article. Coffeeman619 ( talk) 14:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep per
WP:ENT and
WP:SPORTSPERSON. The bit about his run for Mayor is unimportant. However he has RS and has made an impact in Wrestling and starred in a notable film.
Lightburst (
talk)
17:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment What makes the film notable? It has no coverage outside of Boston and Hoboken. And an impact in wrestling? He's never had a run with any major company in his entire career. Wrestling is different from general sports in that a one-time appearance in WWE doesn't constitute notability. This autobiographical article or article written by someone connected to the topic at best does not describe how this person has made any remotely substantial influence in pro wrestling, where people have sometimes 10 or more year runs in major companies and this person had a one night run. Your comment states that he "has made an impact in Wrestling" but does not describe any such impact and indicates that he starred in "a notable film" when no sources indicate that the film received coverage outside of the Northeast, and the article on the film seems to have been written by someone close to the topic. Furthermore, as far as I'm concerned the only sources the film has are Boston sources. The Hoboken International Film Festival web site hypes that you can submit coverage at https://www.hobokeninternationalfilmfestival.com/submit-films, so that's probably what happened with this film. In addition to all that, one of the Hoboken International Film Festival links (source 5, http://www.fest21.com/en/blog/todd/special_to_the_hoboken_film_festival_2008_a_man_among_giants) is a broken link. And the second link ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110712213426/http://www.hobokeninternationalfilmfestival.com/2008schedule.php) is a mere schedule for airing of films. If we listed on wikipedia that was aired at a film festival, wikipedia would have way too many articles. Your article makes three assumptions - 1. that "he has RS," 2. that he "has made an impact in Wrestling," and 3. that he has "starred in a notable film." None of those three assumptions seem to hold water. Coffeeman619 ( talk) 18:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Not convinced by any of the delete arguments. He was covered by major mainstream outlets, it really does not matter that they were in the New England market. Many notable wrestlers never appeared in WWF/E at all, so whether or not he was ever employed full time by them is irrelevant. The article does need improvement but that doesn't warrant deletion. LM2000 ( talk) 19:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep Notable enough to have a documentary made about him. The New York times did mention him in the lead of one of their articles https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/27/us/democrats-city-scene-mass-protests-traffic-jams-none-so-far-region-relieved.html The Boston coverage is significant. http://archive.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2009/07/09/8216a_man_among_giants8217_examines_an_attention_seeker8217s_last_hurrah/ I fixed the search link at the top of the AFD, it formerly linking to "pagename" instead of "Tiny the Terrible". Dream Focus 22:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, per The Rise & Fall of ECW: Extreme Championship Wrestling -- "pretty well-known". And other sources as well, as mentioned, above. Right cite ( talk) 22:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep, SNOW: After a flurry of new edits to improve this article, the bar of notability has clearly been reached. At this point, per WP:SNOW, this should be closed as Speedy Keep. Normal Op ( talk) 18:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. There is more than enough coverage on him to establish WP:BASIC. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 04:50, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep, SNOW for reasons cited by User:Normal Op and User:Walwal20. Article is not what it was when nominated for Deletion. WP:HEY. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete There's only one source here, A Man Among Giants, that seems to pass WP:GNG and the more specific guidelines. The rest are trivial, brief mentions, primary, Etc. Etc. WP:HEY is an essay and WP:BASIC doesn't apply because the coverage is in no way "significant." Ultimately, the bar for AfDs isn't that the article be changed, it's that the article be changed to meet the notability guidelines. Throwing more trivial sources at an article, like was done here, doesn't do that. Someone should be able to find another in-depth source. Otherwise, this is a clear delete. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 13:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: In addition to the sources currently in the article, I added a Feb 2000 syndicated national article from Cox News Service: " No small matter: WWF and WCW shun midget wrestling, but it thrives in smaller wrestling organizations". — Toughpigs ( talk) 17:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Best headline ever!
Normal Op (
talk)
18:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- I just spit out my tequila. lol Lightburst ( talk) 01:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, meets GNG, if not other guidelines. Glee anon 18:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat ( talk) 00:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Tiny the Terrible
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It looks like this was made by a single purpose account that was also used to make articles about the Tiny the Terrible documentary A Man Among Giants and its director Rod Webber and has only edited articles about those topics. Take a look at its edits. This supposedly well known wrestler has no major coverage outside of Boston, MA publications The Boston Globe and The Boston Herald. He has never been the subject of a national publication, let alone an international one. This attempted politician has never won an election, and even though the article calls him a "former WWE pro-wrestler," his professional wrestling career has never included a full-time run in a major company like WWE. Hundreds of thousands of people have appeared as extras on WWE TV and this is just one of those people. This person does not meet wikipedia's Notability standards and also seems to violate wikipedia's rules to not be written by a subject close to the article. Coffeeman619 ( talk) 14:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep per
WP:ENT and
WP:SPORTSPERSON. The bit about his run for Mayor is unimportant. However he has RS and has made an impact in Wrestling and starred in a notable film.
Lightburst (
talk)
17:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment What makes the film notable? It has no coverage outside of Boston and Hoboken. And an impact in wrestling? He's never had a run with any major company in his entire career. Wrestling is different from general sports in that a one-time appearance in WWE doesn't constitute notability. This autobiographical article or article written by someone connected to the topic at best does not describe how this person has made any remotely substantial influence in pro wrestling, where people have sometimes 10 or more year runs in major companies and this person had a one night run. Your comment states that he "has made an impact in Wrestling" but does not describe any such impact and indicates that he starred in "a notable film" when no sources indicate that the film received coverage outside of the Northeast, and the article on the film seems to have been written by someone close to the topic. Furthermore, as far as I'm concerned the only sources the film has are Boston sources. The Hoboken International Film Festival web site hypes that you can submit coverage at https://www.hobokeninternationalfilmfestival.com/submit-films, so that's probably what happened with this film. In addition to all that, one of the Hoboken International Film Festival links (source 5, http://www.fest21.com/en/blog/todd/special_to_the_hoboken_film_festival_2008_a_man_among_giants) is a broken link. And the second link ( https://web.archive.org/web/20110712213426/http://www.hobokeninternationalfilmfestival.com/2008schedule.php) is a mere schedule for airing of films. If we listed on wikipedia that was aired at a film festival, wikipedia would have way too many articles. Your article makes three assumptions - 1. that "he has RS," 2. that he "has made an impact in Wrestling," and 3. that he has "starred in a notable film." None of those three assumptions seem to hold water. Coffeeman619 ( talk) 18:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Not convinced by any of the delete arguments. He was covered by major mainstream outlets, it really does not matter that they were in the New England market. Many notable wrestlers never appeared in WWF/E at all, so whether or not he was ever employed full time by them is irrelevant. The article does need improvement but that doesn't warrant deletion. LM2000 ( talk) 19:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep Notable enough to have a documentary made about him. The New York times did mention him in the lead of one of their articles https://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/27/us/democrats-city-scene-mass-protests-traffic-jams-none-so-far-region-relieved.html The Boston coverage is significant. http://archive.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2009/07/09/8216a_man_among_giants8217_examines_an_attention_seeker8217s_last_hurrah/ I fixed the search link at the top of the AFD, it formerly linking to "pagename" instead of "Tiny the Terrible". Dream Focus 22:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, per The Rise & Fall of ECW: Extreme Championship Wrestling -- "pretty well-known". And other sources as well, as mentioned, above. Right cite ( talk) 22:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep, SNOW: After a flurry of new edits to improve this article, the bar of notability has clearly been reached. At this point, per WP:SNOW, this should be closed as Speedy Keep. Normal Op ( talk) 18:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. There is more than enough coverage on him to establish WP:BASIC. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 04:50, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep, SNOW for reasons cited by User:Normal Op and User:Walwal20. Article is not what it was when nominated for Deletion. WP:HEY. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:29, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete There's only one source here, A Man Among Giants, that seems to pass WP:GNG and the more specific guidelines. The rest are trivial, brief mentions, primary, Etc. Etc. WP:HEY is an essay and WP:BASIC doesn't apply because the coverage is in no way "significant." Ultimately, the bar for AfDs isn't that the article be changed, it's that the article be changed to meet the notability guidelines. Throwing more trivial sources at an article, like was done here, doesn't do that. Someone should be able to find another in-depth source. Otherwise, this is a clear delete. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 13:10, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: In addition to the sources currently in the article, I added a Feb 2000 syndicated national article from Cox News Service: " No small matter: WWF and WCW shun midget wrestling, but it thrives in smaller wrestling organizations". — Toughpigs ( talk) 17:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Best headline ever!
Normal Op (
talk)
18:36, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- I just spit out my tequila. lol Lightburst ( talk) 01:46, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, meets GNG, if not other guidelines. Glee anon 18:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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