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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 06:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Tim van Assema
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Footballer with 24 minutes in Allsvenskan. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Though (brief) news exist [1] [2] [3], he has done nothing of note. Geschichte ( talk) 08:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per new sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep per sv:Tim van Assema. Govvy ( talk) 19:56, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per sufficient sourcing in the Swedish entry. gidonb ( talk) 00:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete He fails GNG because of a total lack of significant coverage. The sourcing on the Swedish article is routine/not independent/of dubious reliability. Dougal18 ( talk) 10:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets
WP:NFOOTBALL and still a young player. We obviously need to add more text and sources, like the
Swedish article. Let's at least give it some time. //
Mattias321
(talk)
15:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- NFOOTBALL does not exist anymore. Giant Snowman 17:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - @ GiantSnowman:, Per above. I found [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], amning maner more Swedish and Dutch sources. Young player with Allsvenskan experience with ongoing career. Article need simprovement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 16:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree with Dougal18 about the sourcing in the sv wiki article (as well as the links above from Das osmnezz - although some of those links are paywalled so I can't properly evaluate them). Article fails WP:GNG due to a lack of in-depth secondary coverage in reliable sources. Jogurney ( talk) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, only one source from those listed above contains non-paywalled non-trivial content, but it's also just a brief transactional interview from when he was 17 and so fails YOUNGATH anyway. Everything else appears to be routine sports news. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, passes GNG with above sources.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 02:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Sources being inaccessible (e.g. due to paywalls) doesn't exclude them from being used to establish notability ( WP:NEXIST is related); could we get some feedback on those paywalled sources from someone with access?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Actualcpscm ( talk) 17:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 06:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Tim van Assema
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Footballer with 24 minutes in Allsvenskan. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Though (brief) news exist [1] [2] [3], he has done nothing of note. Geschichte ( talk) 08:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Football, and Netherlands. Shellwood ( talk) 10:28, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per new sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep per sv:Tim van Assema. Govvy ( talk) 19:56, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per sufficient sourcing in the Swedish entry. gidonb ( talk) 00:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete He fails GNG because of a total lack of significant coverage. The sourcing on the Swedish article is routine/not independent/of dubious reliability. Dougal18 ( talk) 10:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets
WP:NFOOTBALL and still a young player. We obviously need to add more text and sources, like the
Swedish article. Let's at least give it some time. //
Mattias321
(talk)
15:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- NFOOTBALL does not exist anymore. Giant Snowman 17:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - @ GiantSnowman:, Per above. I found [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], amning maner more Swedish and Dutch sources. Young player with Allsvenskan experience with ongoing career. Article need simprovement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 16:12, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree with Dougal18 about the sourcing in the sv wiki article (as well as the links above from Das osmnezz - although some of those links are paywalled so I can't properly evaluate them). Article fails WP:GNG due to a lack of in-depth secondary coverage in reliable sources. Jogurney ( talk) 13:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, only one source from those listed above contains non-paywalled non-trivial content, but it's also just a brief transactional interview from when he was 17 and so fails YOUNGATH anyway. Everything else appears to be routine sports news. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, passes GNG with above sources.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 02:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:10, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Sources being inaccessible (e.g. due to paywalls) doesn't exclude them from being used to establish notability ( WP:NEXIST is related); could we get some feedback on those paywalled sources from someone with access?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Actualcpscm ( talk) 17:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.