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The result was keep. Consensus that the subject received significant coverage in non-English sources; per WP:NONENG this is no reason to doubt notability. Reliability of sources was discussed but no reason to believe that they are unreliable, with assertions to the contrary. By consensus, the subject meets WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) —Ganesha811 ( talk) 20:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Tigor Silaban

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This appears to be a non-notable doctor. Unfortunately, all of the sources are in Indonesian which I can't read. I didn't find any English-language sources that gave any indication this person could meet WP:ANYBIO. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Comment as article author. Subject’s death in 2021 received significant full-length article coverage by a number of Indonesian national-level news, e.g. by Kompas ( [1]) and CNN Indonesia ( [2]). Before death, several national news outlets covered him in detail as the primary subject too - detik.com in 2018 ( [3]) and suara.com in 2015 ( [4]). While he’s not the most notable doctor by any means, I fail to see this article violating WP:GNG. Nominator’s “I don’t speak Indonesian” argument is frankly silly, refer to WP:NONENG. Juxlos ( talk) 11:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 11:44, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  That fact that I can't read Indonesian wasn't meant to be a reason to delete this, just an explanation of why I went looking for English sources. Perhaps you could translate some appropriate passages from the sources which demonstrate GNG? -- RoySmith (talk) 12:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  BTW, this appears to be a translation of id:Tigor Silaban, but doesn't have the attribution required by WP:Translation#License requirements. That's also not a reason to delete, but it does need to get fixed. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  …I wrote the idWiki article right after the enWiki one. Are you just assuming every non-English native editor aren’t aware of basic rules? Juxlos ( talk) 13:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  Ah, I see that now. My apologies. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:13, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  First sentence of the Kompas obituary:

  "Tigor Silaban is a legendary doctor in Papua. For around four decades he devoted his life to provide health services for the people there."

  First couple paragraphs of the 2018 detik.com article:

  "Papua is not only wide in area, but the condition of infrastructure there is generally still limited. It is not surprising that many doctors, teachers, and other professions do not last long while serving there. As a result, the health condition of the people in Papua, especially in the interior, is still very worrying. From a handful of doctors, that is Tigor Silaban, who has devoted himself to Earth of Cenderawasih since 1979 until now.

  Tigor Silaban is actually a general practitioner. But Papua's very minimal and isolated condition demands that he become a surgeon. Not only cutting the tumor, he also had to perform fracture surgery with his perfunctory equipment."

  He is notable for being one of a few long-serving doctors in the region. Not every notable person is going to be covered by Anglophone media. Juxlos ( talk) 13:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Keep The nominator writes "This appears to be a non-notable doctor. Unfortunately, all of the sources are in Indonesian which I can't read. I didn't find any English-language sources…" With respect, Wikipedia in any language is supposed to be a resource for global knowledge. You can use google translate if you don't want to learn Indonesian. There is an Indonesian language Wikipedia, too, and it includes English language topics and sources. If there's something odd here, it's that each of the sources is an obituary, but that also speaks to how important he was seen in Indonesian Papua. I will guess there are many more sources out there which were published during Silaban's lifetime. CorrTimes ( talk) 03:39, 10 September 2022 (UTC) reply

4 of the 6 sources are obituaries. 2 are written well within subject's lifetime (refs 3 and 6). Juxlos ( talk) 11:48, 10 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Hesitant keep, sources in the article are substantive, need to AGF that they are as reliable as they are described to be. Vanamonde ( Talk) 11:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  KOMPAS and detik is as reliable as you can get (short of Antara) for Indonesian news online. Jubi is the largest local news outlet for Indonesian Papua. Juxlos ( talk) 13:57, 16 September 2022 (UTC) reply

  You did say that already; I'm merely pointing out to the closer that I'm relying on your judgement regarding reliability. As such, repeating that isn't going to do very much. Thanks for the information though. Vanamonde ( Talk) 17:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC) reply

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