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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Rcsprinter123 (report) 21:18, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
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Non-notable YouTuber. The sources do not appear to be significant coverage in reliable independent sources. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 02:44, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
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I have to disagree with this, Sanders was at one point one of the best known viners and internet personalities in the world however the wikipedia is badly written and needs more and better sources. Jamesrichards12345 ( talk) 12:25, 3 November 2017
- Weak keep. First, AFD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. Second, Inquisitr has covered Sanders' switch to Disney here. Coverage in this source appears significant. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- While it's true I personally think Sanders is worthy of being on Wikipedia. The metric for notable vs non-notable person (available at WP:BIO for perusal), is "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Which this article does not pass. The article has been flagged with issues since 2013 and no one has been able to find better sources to support the information in the article. I hate to say it, but perhaps deletion is the best option at this moment. At least until better sources can be made / found.-- Frapsity ( talk) 06:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I disagree with the fact that the subject hasn't received coverage of secondary reliable sources. Here [1] are [2] a few [3] different [4] independent [5] sources that I think should assess at least a good amount of notability, not counting the references I recently added to the article about his theatre career, the referenced fact that he has won two Shorty Awards and one Streamy Award for his Vine and YouTube career ( WP:ANYBIO) (these are some of the most important social media content awards right now), and the cult status that he's reached online with thousands of people dressing up as his characters or making fanart about his work (a quick search of "Sanders Sides" on Google proves it) ( WP:ENT). True, the article can and should be improved, and eventually it probably will be, but I don't think it's in a condition bad enough to be straightforwardly deleted. By the way, according to the article's history, the article was created in January 2017. I don't know why the issue template is saying "January 2013"?-- Manbemel ( talk) 20:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment: Just noting I've been doing updates to the article in the past few days, just in case someone may want to change their opinion.-- Manbemel ( talk) 17:23, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
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- keep Sanders was/is one of the top Viners. Passes GNG. L3X1 (distænt write) 21:15, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per User:Manbemel. Thomas Sanders is definitely notable enough to have an Wikipedia article. Boomer Vial Holla! We gonna ball! 03:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- keep With the recent improvements, I would say the article is in a much better state than it was.-- Frapsity ( talk)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Rcsprinter123 (report) 21:18, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thomas Sanders (creator) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Non-notable YouTuber. The sources do not appear to be significant coverage in reliable independent sources. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk, contribs) 02:44, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 02:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
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I have to disagree with this, Sanders was at one point one of the best known viners and internet personalities in the world however the wikipedia is badly written and needs more and better sources. Jamesrichards12345 ( talk) 12:25, 3 November 2017
- Weak keep. First, AFD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. Second, Inquisitr has covered Sanders' switch to Disney here. Coverage in this source appears significant. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- While it's true I personally think Sanders is worthy of being on Wikipedia. The metric for notable vs non-notable person (available at WP:BIO for perusal), is "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Which this article does not pass. The article has been flagged with issues since 2013 and no one has been able to find better sources to support the information in the article. I hate to say it, but perhaps deletion is the best option at this moment. At least until better sources can be made / found.-- Frapsity ( talk) 06:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I disagree with the fact that the subject hasn't received coverage of secondary reliable sources. Here [1] are [2] a few [3] different [4] independent [5] sources that I think should assess at least a good amount of notability, not counting the references I recently added to the article about his theatre career, the referenced fact that he has won two Shorty Awards and one Streamy Award for his Vine and YouTube career ( WP:ANYBIO) (these are some of the most important social media content awards right now), and the cult status that he's reached online with thousands of people dressing up as his characters or making fanart about his work (a quick search of "Sanders Sides" on Google proves it) ( WP:ENT). True, the article can and should be improved, and eventually it probably will be, but I don't think it's in a condition bad enough to be straightforwardly deleted. By the way, according to the article's history, the article was created in January 2017. I don't know why the issue template is saying "January 2013"?-- Manbemel ( talk) 20:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment: Just noting I've been doing updates to the article in the past few days, just in case someone may want to change their opinion.-- Manbemel ( talk) 17:23, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:35, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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- keep Sanders was/is one of the top Viners. Passes GNG. L3X1 (distænt write) 21:15, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per User:Manbemel. Thomas Sanders is definitely notable enough to have an Wikipedia article. Boomer Vial Holla! We gonna ball! 03:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- keep With the recent improvements, I would say the article is in a much better state than it was.-- Frapsity ( talk)
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