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The result was delete. While I note Cunard's submission of five sources for consideration, all other contributions - including those subsequent to this submission - are aligned for deletion. Consensus exists to delete here. Daniel ( talk) 00:05, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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An article created by an WP:SPA on a show that does not appear to pass the WP:GNG. The article has a heavy promotional tone, but even beyond that, it does not appear to be notable at all. Despite the lofty claims that is "took the media by storm", the only coverage included in the article is from local news coverage from the area the production was from, and several non-reliable sources. Searches turned up no kind of coverage in actual reliable sources, or any kind of reviews. The four episodes listed also seem to be the only four that were produced and released, so it seems doubtful that any new coverage will come in the future. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Paranormal, and Kentucky. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete No coverage that enables it to pass GNG,
it's WP:TOOSOON for mainspace article,it appears to have been cancelled in 2017 after 4 episodes. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 18:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC) - Delete: Only one of the sources cited (the first one) appears to be independent RS. Too much junk comes up when I try to find more secondary coverage. One name-check in local media does not suffice for passing WP:GNG. And while I know it's not a guideline for deletion, the article is incompetently-written and barely grammatical, clearly not the work of someone here to build an encyclopedia; likely a SPA as the nom suggested. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 00:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Thornburg, Kate (2018-05-08).
"Amazon Prime Paranormal Show Films at Winchester Café".
The News-Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "... Season 3 of the Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown. The Amazon Prime original program is hosted by Gavin Kelly and Paula Purcell and filmed overnight on April 28, 2018 at the Para Café. The show premiered as a new original series on October 31, 2017 and is a non-staged, non-scripted program with no camera tricks, just real paranormal investigations following Kelly and Purcell as they investigate haunted asylums, jails, battlefields, and museums along with many other locations around the country. Kelly and Purcell look for the most haunted locations in the United States to investigate and collect evidence using video, photography, and EVP’s (electronic voice phenomenon). They specifically work to debunk so-called hauntings and to collect the data needed to prove whether or not the locations they visit are truly haunted or not. Their investigative process combined with Purcell’s research into the history of the locations, the team’s scientific methods, and completely unscripted format make the program stand out amid the plethora of seemingly similar shows that have gained in popularity in recent years."
- Carver, Hannah (2018-06-07).
"Is Benton Farm haunted? Paranormal investigators say maybe; show to air on Amazon TV next year". NKyTribune. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "Delving into the some of the world’s most mysterious phenomena, the crew from “The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown” will feature the Benton Farmhouse in its season three. The show, which first aired on Amazon TV on Halloween of 2017, features Gavin Kelly, Paula Purcell, and their team. Together they work to explore reportedly haunted locations, seeking proof of the existence of life after death. ... The second season of “The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown” will air this fall. The episode at Benton Farms is scheduled for the third season, which comes out October 31, 2019."
- Longworth, Michele (2017-10-26).
"Quest for the paranormal at the Massac County Courthouse". Metropolis Planet. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "Paducah paranormal investigators’ show premieres Oct. 31 on Amazon Prime. ... After their brief visit, the two decided they wanted to go back to film an episode of their show Paranormal Journey Into the Unknown. ... Both Kelly and Purcell have taped six episodes of their show, which will air on Amazon Prime beginning Tuesday, Oct. 31. According to Kelly, the original series on Amazon Prime is “testing the waters.” Netflix has already indicated if their show receives good ratings on Amazon, Netflix might also pick up their shows."
- Hughes, Pat (2017-09-06).
"Hartford City's haunted will be in new Amazon series". Hartford City News Times. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "Paranormal host Gavin Kelly and historian Paula Purcell are teaming up for Amazon’s Prime’s new paranormal television series “Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown.” The series’ second season is set to air in February and will feature Hartford City’s Monroe House, the old Hartford City Jail and the Speak Easy in different segments of the show."
- Camp, Jodi (2019-04-11).
"Amazon TV series paranormal team investigates Octagon Hall". Franklin Favorite. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "Last month, the paranormal show “The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown” through Amazon, visited Octagon Hall, the historical and paranormal antebellum house in Simpson County. ... The shows season one is already available on Amazon with season two coming out at the end of 2019 and season three available in March 2020."
- Thornburg, Kate (2018-05-08).
"Amazon Prime Paranormal Show Films at Winchester Café".
The News-Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
- Comment - I'm really not convinced by these sources, because they are, like the one I mentioned in my nomination, from extremely local papers just reporting on the areas the show filmed in. Not only that, a lot of these contain information that seems wildly inaccurate, referring to seasons and episodes that as far as I can find, never actually existed. (Honestly, I can't even find any evidence that the show was ever actually shown on "Amazon Prime", as stated in several of the articles here, and not just available to purchase via Amazon's digital store as they are now). The niche coverage of these publications, and the fact that several of them are reporting on episodes that were never actually made, make me extremely dubious that these would satisfy the notability requirements for this show. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - Doing a quick comparison, only one of the locations mentioned in the local papers above was actually made into an episode of the show. It seems like these two went to a bunch of places to film footage, told the local papers about their lofty (and seemingly exaggerated) plans of creating a multi-season series that would feature their town/county, and got a little write up about these supposed future episodes in the local papers that never actually happened. It seems a lot of the information the papers were reporting on were just what the duo that made the series told them, which has proven to be largely be untrue. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- It appears they were still filming episodes when the series was cancelled, or the distribution deal fell through, or something happened that made it impossible to continue. The fact we can't find any industry coverage containing details about the show means it wasn't considered notable. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 19:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: The sources consistently say that The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown was shown on
Amazon Prime.
This Amazon Prime search
archive.today for the show clearly lists The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown as an Amazon Prime show. It aired for one season and had four episodes.
The Paranormal Journey has received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources in Indiana and Kentucky newspapers. The News-Gazette provided detailed analysis about the show, "Their investigative process combined with Purcell's research into the history of the locations, the team’s scientific methods, and completely unscripted format make the program stand out amid the plethora of seemingly similar shows that have gained in popularity in recent years."
The show meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline through the significant coverage in reliable sources. The notability guideline does not exclude sources that are based out of cities where the show did filming. The notability guideline does not say that the show's cancellation (and whether sources covered the cancellation) takes away from the show's notability.
The sources are not inaccurate. They discuss how the show filmed future episodes and was planning to air future seasons. That those episodes did not air makes the information in the articles overtaken by later events rather than factually inaccurate.
- Comment - That Prime Search is what I meant though - its not a "Amazon Prime Show" in the sense that it was produced by Amazon Prime the way The Boys (TV series) is. It is just available for digital purchase on the Amazon Prime service the way that every other show and movie available on VOD for purchase or rental through Amazon is. That's a bit of a different beast. Rorshacma ( talk) 03:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- The Amazon Prime search lists the show, while The News-Gazette calls it an "Amazon Prime original program". No source or anything I've found contradicts this statement. Cunard ( talk) 04:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Not notable enough to have gotten a mention on the news websites of
Hollywood Reporter,
Variety, or
Deadline from 2016 to present. Not on the
List of ended Amazon Prime Video original programming (because it's not an Amazon show). This is a limited web series using
Amazon Prime Direct as a distributor to sell to the public and using Wikipedia for search engine promotion (see
WP:NOTADVERTISING). Links to review articles can go on its IMDb page in the External Reviews section there. I have no objection to the article being updated and republished someday if the show returns and generates the needed noteworthiness for inclusion in an encyclopedia.
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14:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline does not require a television series "to have gotten a mention on the news websites of
Hollywood Reporter,
Variety, or
Deadline".
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline does not require a television series to be an Amazon show or to appear on List of ended Amazon Prime Video original programming.
Although this doesn't matter for notability, no sources or evidence has been provided verifying that the show is "using Amazon Prime Direct as a distributor" rather than being an "Amazon Prime original program" (source: the 2018 The News-Gazette article) Cunard ( talk) 00:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline does not require a television series "to have gotten a mention on the news websites of
Hollywood Reporter,
Variety, or
Deadline".
- Comment: The phrase "Amazon Prime original program" merely refers to any program offered first on Amazon's streaming service, whether produced by Amazon Studios or from an outside source. Amazon owns IMDb. Amazon Studios is not listed as one of the producers of The Paranormal Journey:Into the Unknown on IMDb because it is not an Amazon production and if it was, the media coverage would be national and much more than local. 5Q5| ✉ 12:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The points of WP:NFOE, the specific notability guideline for movies, are all indiviually not met:
- The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. - Such did not turn up.
- Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release. - Dates range only from 2017-2019.
- The film was deemed notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals, when such a poll was conducted at least five years after the film's release - Dates range only from 2017-2019.
- The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release. - Such did not turn up.
- The film was featured as part of a documentary, program, or retrospective on the history of cinema. - Such did not turn up.
- The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking. - Such did not turn up.
- The film was selected for preservation in a national archive. - Such did not turn up.
- The film is "taught" as a subject at an accredited university or college with a notable film program. - Such did not turn up.
Finally, as for the other notability guidelines, the sources are clearly WP:ROUTINE. They only talk about the release of the movie. There are no high-profile reviews or retrospectives. They are of local interest, written in relation to the movie filming coming to their town/county and so perhaps not even qualify as WP:INDEPENDENT. बिनोद थारू ( talk) 17:10, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. While I note Cunard's submission of five sources for consideration, all other contributions - including those subsequent to this submission - are aligned for deletion. Consensus exists to delete here. Daniel ( talk) 00:05, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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- The Paranormal Journey:Into the Unknown ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
An article created by an WP:SPA on a show that does not appear to pass the WP:GNG. The article has a heavy promotional tone, but even beyond that, it does not appear to be notable at all. Despite the lofty claims that is "took the media by storm", the only coverage included in the article is from local news coverage from the area the production was from, and several non-reliable sources. Searches turned up no kind of coverage in actual reliable sources, or any kind of reviews. The four episodes listed also seem to be the only four that were produced and released, so it seems doubtful that any new coverage will come in the future. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Paranormal, and Kentucky. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete No coverage that enables it to pass GNG,
it's WP:TOOSOON for mainspace article,it appears to have been cancelled in 2017 after 4 episodes. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 18:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC) - Delete: Only one of the sources cited (the first one) appears to be independent RS. Too much junk comes up when I try to find more secondary coverage. One name-check in local media does not suffice for passing WP:GNG. And while I know it's not a guideline for deletion, the article is incompetently-written and barely grammatical, clearly not the work of someone here to build an encyclopedia; likely a SPA as the nom suggested. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 00:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Thornburg, Kate (2018-05-08).
"Amazon Prime Paranormal Show Films at Winchester Café".
The News-Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "... Season 3 of the Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown. The Amazon Prime original program is hosted by Gavin Kelly and Paula Purcell and filmed overnight on April 28, 2018 at the Para Café. The show premiered as a new original series on October 31, 2017 and is a non-staged, non-scripted program with no camera tricks, just real paranormal investigations following Kelly and Purcell as they investigate haunted asylums, jails, battlefields, and museums along with many other locations around the country. Kelly and Purcell look for the most haunted locations in the United States to investigate and collect evidence using video, photography, and EVP’s (electronic voice phenomenon). They specifically work to debunk so-called hauntings and to collect the data needed to prove whether or not the locations they visit are truly haunted or not. Their investigative process combined with Purcell’s research into the history of the locations, the team’s scientific methods, and completely unscripted format make the program stand out amid the plethora of seemingly similar shows that have gained in popularity in recent years."
- Carver, Hannah (2018-06-07).
"Is Benton Farm haunted? Paranormal investigators say maybe; show to air on Amazon TV next year". NKyTribune. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "Delving into the some of the world’s most mysterious phenomena, the crew from “The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown” will feature the Benton Farmhouse in its season three. The show, which first aired on Amazon TV on Halloween of 2017, features Gavin Kelly, Paula Purcell, and their team. Together they work to explore reportedly haunted locations, seeking proof of the existence of life after death. ... The second season of “The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown” will air this fall. The episode at Benton Farms is scheduled for the third season, which comes out October 31, 2019."
- Longworth, Michele (2017-10-26).
"Quest for the paranormal at the Massac County Courthouse". Metropolis Planet. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "Paducah paranormal investigators’ show premieres Oct. 31 on Amazon Prime. ... After their brief visit, the two decided they wanted to go back to film an episode of their show Paranormal Journey Into the Unknown. ... Both Kelly and Purcell have taped six episodes of their show, which will air on Amazon Prime beginning Tuesday, Oct. 31. According to Kelly, the original series on Amazon Prime is “testing the waters.” Netflix has already indicated if their show receives good ratings on Amazon, Netflix might also pick up their shows."
- Hughes, Pat (2017-09-06).
"Hartford City's haunted will be in new Amazon series". Hartford City News Times. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
The article notes: "Paranormal host Gavin Kelly and historian Paula Purcell are teaming up for Amazon’s Prime’s new paranormal television series “Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown.” The series’ second season is set to air in February and will feature Hartford City’s Monroe House, the old Hartford City Jail and the Speak Easy in different segments of the show."
- Camp, Jodi (2019-04-11).
"Amazon TV series paranormal team investigates Octagon Hall". Franklin Favorite. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25 – via
Newspapers.com.
The article notes: "Last month, the paranormal show “The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown” through Amazon, visited Octagon Hall, the historical and paranormal antebellum house in Simpson County. ... The shows season one is already available on Amazon with season two coming out at the end of 2019 and season three available in March 2020."
- Thornburg, Kate (2018-05-08).
"Amazon Prime Paranormal Show Films at Winchester Café".
The News-Gazette. Archived from
the original on 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2023-11-25.
- Comment - I'm really not convinced by these sources, because they are, like the one I mentioned in my nomination, from extremely local papers just reporting on the areas the show filmed in. Not only that, a lot of these contain information that seems wildly inaccurate, referring to seasons and episodes that as far as I can find, never actually existed. (Honestly, I can't even find any evidence that the show was ever actually shown on "Amazon Prime", as stated in several of the articles here, and not just available to purchase via Amazon's digital store as they are now). The niche coverage of these publications, and the fact that several of them are reporting on episodes that were never actually made, make me extremely dubious that these would satisfy the notability requirements for this show. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - Doing a quick comparison, only one of the locations mentioned in the local papers above was actually made into an episode of the show. It seems like these two went to a bunch of places to film footage, told the local papers about their lofty (and seemingly exaggerated) plans of creating a multi-season series that would feature their town/county, and got a little write up about these supposed future episodes in the local papers that never actually happened. It seems a lot of the information the papers were reporting on were just what the duo that made the series told them, which has proven to be largely be untrue. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- It appears they were still filming episodes when the series was cancelled, or the distribution deal fell through, or something happened that made it impossible to continue. The fact we can't find any industry coverage containing details about the show means it wasn't considered notable. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 19:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: The sources consistently say that The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown was shown on
Amazon Prime.
This Amazon Prime search
archive.today for the show clearly lists The Paranormal Journey: Into the Unknown as an Amazon Prime show. It aired for one season and had four episodes.
The Paranormal Journey has received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources in Indiana and Kentucky newspapers. The News-Gazette provided detailed analysis about the show, "Their investigative process combined with Purcell's research into the history of the locations, the team’s scientific methods, and completely unscripted format make the program stand out amid the plethora of seemingly similar shows that have gained in popularity in recent years."
The show meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline through the significant coverage in reliable sources. The notability guideline does not exclude sources that are based out of cities where the show did filming. The notability guideline does not say that the show's cancellation (and whether sources covered the cancellation) takes away from the show's notability.
The sources are not inaccurate. They discuss how the show filmed future episodes and was planning to air future seasons. That those episodes did not air makes the information in the articles overtaken by later events rather than factually inaccurate.
- Comment - That Prime Search is what I meant though - its not a "Amazon Prime Show" in the sense that it was produced by Amazon Prime the way The Boys (TV series) is. It is just available for digital purchase on the Amazon Prime service the way that every other show and movie available on VOD for purchase or rental through Amazon is. That's a bit of a different beast. Rorshacma ( talk) 03:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- The Amazon Prime search lists the show, while The News-Gazette calls it an "Amazon Prime original program". No source or anything I've found contradicts this statement. Cunard ( talk) 04:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Not notable enough to have gotten a mention on the news websites of
Hollywood Reporter,
Variety, or
Deadline from 2016 to present. Not on the
List of ended Amazon Prime Video original programming (because it's not an Amazon show). This is a limited web series using
Amazon Prime Direct as a distributor to sell to the public and using Wikipedia for search engine promotion (see
WP:NOTADVERTISING). Links to review articles can go on its IMDb page in the External Reviews section there. I have no objection to the article being updated and republished someday if the show returns and generates the needed noteworthiness for inclusion in an encyclopedia.
5Q5|
✉
14:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
-
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline does not require a television series "to have gotten a mention on the news websites of
Hollywood Reporter,
Variety, or
Deadline".
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline does not require a television series to be an Amazon show or to appear on List of ended Amazon Prime Video original programming.
Although this doesn't matter for notability, no sources or evidence has been provided verifying that the show is "using Amazon Prime Direct as a distributor" rather than being an "Amazon Prime original program" (source: the 2018 The News-Gazette article) Cunard ( talk) 00:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
-
Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline does not require a television series "to have gotten a mention on the news websites of
Hollywood Reporter,
Variety, or
Deadline".
- Comment: The phrase "Amazon Prime original program" merely refers to any program offered first on Amazon's streaming service, whether produced by Amazon Studios or from an outside source. Amazon owns IMDb. Amazon Studios is not listed as one of the producers of The Paranormal Journey:Into the Unknown on IMDb because it is not an Amazon production and if it was, the media coverage would be national and much more than local. 5Q5| ✉ 12:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. The points of WP:NFOE, the specific notability guideline for movies, are all indiviually not met:
- The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. - Such did not turn up.
- Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release. - Dates range only from 2017-2019.
- The film was deemed notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals, when such a poll was conducted at least five years after the film's release - Dates range only from 2017-2019.
- The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release. - Such did not turn up.
- The film was featured as part of a documentary, program, or retrospective on the history of cinema. - Such did not turn up.
- The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking. - Such did not turn up.
- The film was selected for preservation in a national archive. - Such did not turn up.
- The film is "taught" as a subject at an accredited university or college with a notable film program. - Such did not turn up.
Finally, as for the other notability guidelines, the sources are clearly WP:ROUTINE. They only talk about the release of the movie. There are no high-profile reviews or retrospectives. They are of local interest, written in relation to the movie filming coming to their town/county and so perhaps not even qualify as WP:INDEPENDENT. बिनोद थारू ( talk) 17:10, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.