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The result was Keep and Move to Almede Chattelle. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 03:11, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
The Listowel Ripper
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I was actually about to click save for my PROD until I noticed User:RadioFan executed the same in September 2009, almost instantly after this was started, and as mentioned with my PROD comment "Aside from some links at Books, News and browsers, this actually questionable whether it ever actually happened as it may simply be folklore legend (even likely based from Jack the Ripper) therefore, all in all, I simply see no better notability (especially for an independent article) and improvement here.", I actually question whether this actually happened as it may have simply been based from Jack the Ripper. SwisterTwister talk 08:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: I think that if this is kept, it should be under a different title. I'm not entirely seeing coverage under this specific term. There's some coverage for the murder and references to Jack the Ripper, but not really any RS referring to it by this specific term. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep and move to Almede Chattelle. The sourcing out there for this is fairly slim, but I've found enough to where the article should pass notability guidelines. What mostly influenced my decision was specifically this book, where the author talks about some of the coverage the trial received during its day. Apparently it received quite a bit of controversy, which makes the lack of coverage mildly surprising. I say mildly, because it's not unheard of for coverage from this time period to simply disappear from the public eye because it's not available on the Internet. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:45, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- I found one of the news stories - apparently it was front page news. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, I think I'd argue for moving the article with a redirect. There are some hits under the term "Listowel Ripper" but they're all in forums and various unusable terms. I think that this title actually stems from the segment on the Creepy Canada show, which was labeled "Listowel Ripper". I'm hesitant somewhat to create a redirect based entirely on the name of an episode, although I suppose redirects are cheap. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- I tried finding something on the inspector named in the original version of the article. I can't find anything about this person at all and Murray's account mentions no one by the name of Smire, making me wonder if he was just an invention of the show. If he did exist, apparently he wasn't covered in any of the existent RS. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep and move, following improvements to article by User:Tokyogirl79 and her recommendation here. PWilkinson ( talk) 12:56, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep and move. I am wondering if the article should be named after the event (i.e. Murder of Jessie Keith), but the coverage does seem to focus on the perp. - Location ( talk) 22:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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The result was Keep and Move to Almede Chattelle. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 03:11, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
The Listowel Ripper
- The Listowel Ripper ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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I was actually about to click save for my PROD until I noticed User:RadioFan executed the same in September 2009, almost instantly after this was started, and as mentioned with my PROD comment "Aside from some links at Books, News and browsers, this actually questionable whether it ever actually happened as it may simply be folklore legend (even likely based from Jack the Ripper) therefore, all in all, I simply see no better notability (especially for an independent article) and improvement here.", I actually question whether this actually happened as it may have simply been based from Jack the Ripper. SwisterTwister talk 08:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: I think that if this is kept, it should be under a different title. I'm not entirely seeing coverage under this specific term. There's some coverage for the murder and references to Jack the Ripper, but not really any RS referring to it by this specific term. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:54, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 09:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 09:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep and move to Almede Chattelle. The sourcing out there for this is fairly slim, but I've found enough to where the article should pass notability guidelines. What mostly influenced my decision was specifically this book, where the author talks about some of the coverage the trial received during its day. Apparently it received quite a bit of controversy, which makes the lack of coverage mildly surprising. I say mildly, because it's not unheard of for coverage from this time period to simply disappear from the public eye because it's not available on the Internet. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:45, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- I found one of the news stories - apparently it was front page news. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, I think I'd argue for moving the article with a redirect. There are some hits under the term "Listowel Ripper" but they're all in forums and various unusable terms. I think that this title actually stems from the segment on the Creepy Canada show, which was labeled "Listowel Ripper". I'm hesitant somewhat to create a redirect based entirely on the name of an episode, although I suppose redirects are cheap. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- I tried finding something on the inspector named in the original version of the article. I can't find anything about this person at all and Murray's account mentions no one by the name of Smire, making me wonder if he was just an invention of the show. If he did exist, apparently he wasn't covered in any of the existent RS. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 11:45, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep and move, following improvements to article by User:Tokyogirl79 and her recommendation here. PWilkinson ( talk) 12:56, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep and move. I am wondering if the article should be named after the event (i.e. Murder of Jessie Keith), but the coverage does seem to focus on the perp. - Location ( talk) 22:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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