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The result was delete. None of the keep reasons provide any sort of notability or any policy-based reasons for inclusion, so that leaves us with deletion as really the only option here. ansh 666 07:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
The B-Team (professional wrestling)
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Not notable. Zero accomplishments/championships. Only notability are the two subjects in the team. WP:TOOSOON. Sekyaw (talk) 14:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep - They've racked up plenty of wins against the likes of The Hardys, Dean Ambrose and Heath Slater & Rhyno over the past year. They seem to be primed for a push and are over, and if anything, they deserve and article for all the work they did with The Miz, which was all over Raw last year. -- Ducktech89 ( talk), 5:23, 15 July 2018, (UTC)
- Keep - Per above. The B-Team has earned so many wins and losses as part of the Miztourage before getting a "breakup breakout" by being undefeated since splitting up with The Miz. Hansen Sebastian Talk 23:38, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep as they now hold the Raw Tag Team Championships so the "no championships/accomplishments" argument no longer holds water, nor does the "no notability as an established team" argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurnerMagic ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - won the WWE Raw Tag Team Championship at Extreme Rules (2018) Krishfiji Talk 12:50, 16 July 2018 (GMT +12)
- Strongly Keep - Have been a long running team, over several iterations and have won the tag titles AM Woody ( talk) 21:48, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - It should be noted, without winning these tag team championships, they aren't independently notable. We should really establish more of a criteria for cases like these. An AfD recently went through for the team they beat for the championships, so not exactly a straight forward case. Being a champion doesn't guarentee notability. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 10:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Most likely because Hardy and Wyatt literally formed two months ago. The B-Team (not counting The Social Outcasts) has been around for a year now and they've had time to gel as a unit and they appear to be over. As much as I like Hardy and Wyatt, they were a much better fit as rivals, their team seems to be contrived and crowd reaction seems to reflect this. The B-Team even got a big pop when they won at
Extreme Rules. --
Ducktech89 (
talk), 11:30, 17 July 2018, (UTC)
- Ducktech89 a pop does not make an article notable. Nor does the amount they are over. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 09:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep => Tag Team Champions on Raw-- TheGoldenRule ( talk) 21:08, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - per tag team championship reign and their win at Extreme Rules, this will only lead to a significant level of notability and they've been around long enough to have their own Wikipedia entry. Also pointing out the fact that if they hold a record with the championships, they would have also met set requirements for an article deeming it as noteworthy, therefore I say keep the article up. --
Pokkeballs17 (
talk), 15:28, 17 July 2018, (GMT)
- Pokkeballs17. See WP:CRYSTALBALL. We require them to notable as of now. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 09:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I am not seeing any policy based reasons for keeping. They have been together, yes. They won the championship, yes. Do they meet the standards set in WP:GNG, no. All coverage is routine. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 14:31, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - doesn't meet WP:GNG. No significant coverage in reliable independent sources. All coverage is WP:ROUTINE. Nikki♥ 311 22:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I mistakenly clicked on close but reverted it. Those in favor of keeping should please address the concerns that the coverage is not sufficient to establish notability, considering that there is no notability guideline that confers automatic notability to teams that won a championship. That said, for further comments consider whether a redirect/merge to the championship might be a potential alternative to deletion per WP:ATD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 17:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I mistakenly clicked on close but reverted it. Those in favor of keeping should please address the concerns that the coverage is not sufficient to establish notability, considering that there is no notability guideline that confers automatic notability to teams that won a championship. That said, for further comments consider whether a redirect/merge to the championship might be a potential alternative to deletion per WP:ATD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 17:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - They are the Tag Team Champions. -- TheVaughano ( talk) 23:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as nom. Despite being the current champions, there is still insufficient coverage on the team. The Heath Slater and Rhyno article was deleted despite the duo being the then-current and first-ever SmackDown champions. The current info mainly includes WP:ROUTINE match results and does not meet WP:GNG. Sekyaw (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Routine coverage; the fact that they won a tag team championship doesn't matter much. The list of tag team champions that got their articles deleted is endless.
Heath Slater and Rhyno was cited as an example to keep but that article was deleted twice at AfD.
LM2000 (
talk) 05:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- @ LM2000: This is a terrible reason to delete a article. Just because other stuff existed at one point doesn't mean this article should be deleted. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 05:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Axel and Dallas have been teaming together for the better part of 3 years in 3 different groups (Social Outcasts, Miztourage, B Team)...wasn't like they were just slapped together last week, there's some established history plus now a tag title reign. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment – I've already said plenty about this notion of constantly giving undue weight to something merely because it's what's happening now in the WWE. Speaking of which: back when wrestling promotions focused primarily or solely on live events and ran them full time, "The B-Team" had an entirely different meaning. Those promotions which ran more than one event per night would have a "B-team" which predominantly worked the smaller shows. As this is referred to in Glossary of professional wrestling terms, you run the risk of once again misleading readers into thinking that what's happening now in the WWE is all that matters. If this is kept (which I doubt will happen), there should at least be a hatnote to this effect. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:58, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- "Doubt will happen"? It's 10-4 in favor of keep (as it stands now), so I'd rethink that.
Vjmlhds
(talk) 00:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- The page you should consult would be at WP:VOTE. However, that's avoiding my point that the article title is incongruous with existing content, which in itself affirms my original point about undue weight. If we're going to be The Church of What's Happening Now, I would at least expect to see Flip Wilson at the pulpit (yes, I'm old). RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- "Doubt will happen"? It's 10-4 in favor of keep (as it stands now), so I'd rethink that.
Vjmlhds
(talk) 00:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- And don't forget the nWo B-Team. Both non-WWE B-teams are more notable than this one. LM2000 ( talk) 06:09, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
'Keep per a lot of reasons above. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 05:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Simply because "they are the Tag Team Champions" does not mean they are notable enough for an article. The team that they won the championship from, The Deleters of Worlds, was recently closed as delete, and there isn’t much difference with this team; barely any notable coverage and only one championship win. I agree that it is WP:TOOSOON. JJClbsnn ( talk) 16:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Speedy Keep- I have commented on this before the re-entry opened and I will say it again, what a nonsense reason to raise an AfD. They're evidently listed as the tag team champions on WWE.com, and WWE recognise them as a team. Not having them on here would be silly. They deserve a page because of all their work over the last two years or so, first of all with the Miztourage and then their work as The B-Team. It would be a shame if this got deleted before SummerSlam, as they have a heavy chance of competing there due to their work and feuds as the tag team champions on the Raw brand. Oh, and we have more users favouring keep than those favouring delete, so I think the argument in question is settled really. -- Pokkeballs17 ( talk), 20:30, 23 July 2018, (GMT)- Striking duplicate - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 20:38, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep:They've been teaming for years. Muur ( talk) 21:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - like the above said, they've been teaming long before they were the B-team and they've won tag team titles 2600:1700:AA10:9940:80C8:DF66:BC70:F5BA ( talk) 00:32, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Other than going by different team names, they are not a long-running, historical tag team. They have been an active duo for one year. Within that year, they have had zero accomplishments and, as shown in the article, barely any notable coverage before winning the championship.
Sekyaw
(talk) 04:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Sekyaw Zero accomplishments? They have won the Tag Team Championship. Winning a championship is an accomplishment... right? -- TheVaughano ( talk) 16:51, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- TheVaughano Like I said, zero accomplishments and barely any notable coverage "before winning the championship". It is their first title reign and before that they have had little notable success, as shown in the article. Sekyaw (talk) 18:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - As mentioned above, there is no notability guideline that states that a team that has been together for a certain amount of time or held a championship is automatically notable above and beyond the individual members. At this time, a team must meet WP:GNG in order to be notable. This team does not have significant coverage in reliable independent sources other than WP:ROUTINE match results. There is a precedent of deleting teams that don't meet GNG, even if they have held championships: Heath Slater and Rhyno, Kofi Kingston and R-Truth, Air Boom, Angelina Love and Winter, etc. Nikki♥ 311 00:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. None of the keep reasons provide any sort of notability or any policy-based reasons for inclusion, so that leaves us with deletion as really the only option here. ansh 666 07:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
The B-Team (professional wrestling)
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Not notable. Zero accomplishments/championships. Only notability are the two subjects in the team. WP:TOOSOON. Sekyaw (talk) 14:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep - They've racked up plenty of wins against the likes of The Hardys, Dean Ambrose and Heath Slater & Rhyno over the past year. They seem to be primed for a push and are over, and if anything, they deserve and article for all the work they did with The Miz, which was all over Raw last year. -- Ducktech89 ( talk), 5:23, 15 July 2018, (UTC)
- Keep - Per above. The B-Team has earned so many wins and losses as part of the Miztourage before getting a "breakup breakout" by being undefeated since splitting up with The Miz. Hansen Sebastian Talk 23:38, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep as they now hold the Raw Tag Team Championships so the "no championships/accomplishments" argument no longer holds water, nor does the "no notability as an established team" argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurnerMagic ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - won the WWE Raw Tag Team Championship at Extreme Rules (2018) Krishfiji Talk 12:50, 16 July 2018 (GMT +12)
- Strongly Keep - Have been a long running team, over several iterations and have won the tag titles AM Woody ( talk) 21:48, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - It should be noted, without winning these tag team championships, they aren't independently notable. We should really establish more of a criteria for cases like these. An AfD recently went through for the team they beat for the championships, so not exactly a straight forward case. Being a champion doesn't guarentee notability. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 10:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Most likely because Hardy and Wyatt literally formed two months ago. The B-Team (not counting The Social Outcasts) has been around for a year now and they've had time to gel as a unit and they appear to be over. As much as I like Hardy and Wyatt, they were a much better fit as rivals, their team seems to be contrived and crowd reaction seems to reflect this. The B-Team even got a big pop when they won at
Extreme Rules. --
Ducktech89 (
talk), 11:30, 17 July 2018, (UTC)
- Ducktech89 a pop does not make an article notable. Nor does the amount they are over. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 09:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep => Tag Team Champions on Raw-- TheGoldenRule ( talk) 21:08, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - per tag team championship reign and their win at Extreme Rules, this will only lead to a significant level of notability and they've been around long enough to have their own Wikipedia entry. Also pointing out the fact that if they hold a record with the championships, they would have also met set requirements for an article deeming it as noteworthy, therefore I say keep the article up. --
Pokkeballs17 (
talk), 15:28, 17 July 2018, (GMT)
- Pokkeballs17. See WP:CRYSTALBALL. We require them to notable as of now. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 09:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I am not seeing any policy based reasons for keeping. They have been together, yes. They won the championship, yes. Do they meet the standards set in WP:GNG, no. All coverage is routine. - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 14:31, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - doesn't meet WP:GNG. No significant coverage in reliable independent sources. All coverage is WP:ROUTINE. Nikki♥ 311 22:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I mistakenly clicked on close but reverted it. Those in favor of keeping should please address the concerns that the coverage is not sufficient to establish notability, considering that there is no notability guideline that confers automatic notability to teams that won a championship. That said, for further comments consider whether a redirect/merge to the championship might be a potential alternative to deletion per WP:ATD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 17:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: I mistakenly clicked on close but reverted it. Those in favor of keeping should please address the concerns that the coverage is not sufficient to establish notability, considering that there is no notability guideline that confers automatic notability to teams that won a championship. That said, for further comments consider whether a redirect/merge to the championship might be a potential alternative to deletion per WP:ATD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 17:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strongly Keep - They are the Tag Team Champions. -- TheVaughano ( talk) 23:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as nom. Despite being the current champions, there is still insufficient coverage on the team. The Heath Slater and Rhyno article was deleted despite the duo being the then-current and first-ever SmackDown champions. The current info mainly includes WP:ROUTINE match results and does not meet WP:GNG. Sekyaw (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Routine coverage; the fact that they won a tag team championship doesn't matter much. The list of tag team champions that got their articles deleted is endless.
Heath Slater and Rhyno was cited as an example to keep but that article was deleted twice at AfD.
LM2000 (
talk) 05:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- @ LM2000: This is a terrible reason to delete a article. Just because other stuff existed at one point doesn't mean this article should be deleted. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 05:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Axel and Dallas have been teaming together for the better part of 3 years in 3 different groups (Social Outcasts, Miztourage, B Team)...wasn't like they were just slapped together last week, there's some established history plus now a tag title reign. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment – I've already said plenty about this notion of constantly giving undue weight to something merely because it's what's happening now in the WWE. Speaking of which: back when wrestling promotions focused primarily or solely on live events and ran them full time, "The B-Team" had an entirely different meaning. Those promotions which ran more than one event per night would have a "B-team" which predominantly worked the smaller shows. As this is referred to in Glossary of professional wrestling terms, you run the risk of once again misleading readers into thinking that what's happening now in the WWE is all that matters. If this is kept (which I doubt will happen), there should at least be a hatnote to this effect. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:58, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- "Doubt will happen"? It's 10-4 in favor of keep (as it stands now), so I'd rethink that.
Vjmlhds
(talk) 00:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- The page you should consult would be at WP:VOTE. However, that's avoiding my point that the article title is incongruous with existing content, which in itself affirms my original point about undue weight. If we're going to be The Church of What's Happening Now, I would at least expect to see Flip Wilson at the pulpit (yes, I'm old). RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- "Doubt will happen"? It's 10-4 in favor of keep (as it stands now), so I'd rethink that.
Vjmlhds
(talk) 00:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- And don't forget the nWo B-Team. Both non-WWE B-teams are more notable than this one. LM2000 ( talk) 06:09, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
'Keep per a lot of reasons above. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 05:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Simply because "they are the Tag Team Champions" does not mean they are notable enough for an article. The team that they won the championship from, The Deleters of Worlds, was recently closed as delete, and there isn’t much difference with this team; barely any notable coverage and only one championship win. I agree that it is WP:TOOSOON. JJClbsnn ( talk) 16:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Speedy Keep- I have commented on this before the re-entry opened and I will say it again, what a nonsense reason to raise an AfD. They're evidently listed as the tag team champions on WWE.com, and WWE recognise them as a team. Not having them on here would be silly. They deserve a page because of all their work over the last two years or so, first of all with the Miztourage and then their work as The B-Team. It would be a shame if this got deleted before SummerSlam, as they have a heavy chance of competing there due to their work and feuds as the tag team champions on the Raw brand. Oh, and we have more users favouring keep than those favouring delete, so I think the argument in question is settled really. -- Pokkeballs17 ( talk), 20:30, 23 July 2018, (GMT)- Striking duplicate - Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk 20:38, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep:They've been teaming for years. Muur ( talk) 21:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - like the above said, they've been teaming long before they were the B-team and they've won tag team titles 2600:1700:AA10:9940:80C8:DF66:BC70:F5BA ( talk) 00:32, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Other than going by different team names, they are not a long-running, historical tag team. They have been an active duo for one year. Within that year, they have had zero accomplishments and, as shown in the article, barely any notable coverage before winning the championship.
Sekyaw
(talk) 04:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Sekyaw Zero accomplishments? They have won the Tag Team Championship. Winning a championship is an accomplishment... right? -- TheVaughano ( talk) 16:51, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- TheVaughano Like I said, zero accomplishments and barely any notable coverage "before winning the championship". It is their first title reign and before that they have had little notable success, as shown in the article. Sekyaw (talk) 18:54, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - As mentioned above, there is no notability guideline that states that a team that has been together for a certain amount of time or held a championship is automatically notable above and beyond the individual members. At this time, a team must meet WP:GNG in order to be notable. This team does not have significant coverage in reliable independent sources other than WP:ROUTINE match results. There is a precedent of deleting teams that don't meet GNG, even if they have held championships: Heath Slater and Rhyno, Kofi Kingston and R-Truth, Air Boom, Angelina Love and Winter, etc. Nikki♥ 311 00:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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