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The result was keep. Thanks, AllyD for the work Star Mississippi 14:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Théâtre Libre (performing arts center)
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Another contested draft with zero in-depth coverage and no improvement. Searches turned up zero in-depth coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 10:20, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Theatre and France. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Inadequate coverage. If we are going to have an English-language article about this venue, someone is going to need to do a better job of writing an article. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- KEEP, it's a great article. Evangp ( talk) 13:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 11:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Even taking into account the sources on the French version, it fails WP:GNG. QuicoleJR ( talk) 11:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment:The present en.wiki article text is horribly truncated on the long history of this venue, which can be found described as "L'Eldorado, the aristocrat of the cafés-concerts" [1] and painted by Sickert [2]. Note also that, as per the fr.wiki article, a "Patrimoine du XXe siècle" designation was placed on the 1933 cinema hall (which replaced the original cafés-concert hall): [3]. AllyD ( talk) 12:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: I have expanded the article to provide a summary reflecting the history of the Eldorado. More could surely be said about the performers there, but for the moment I included famous artworks by Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and Walter Sickert; a performance there by Félix Mayol may also be reflected in Proust: all of these perhaps fall under WP:NOTINHERITED but indicate the Eldorado's cultural position in its era. Anyway, the French Culture Ministry's "Patrimoine du XXe siècle" designation of the later building (apparently somewhere between Blue plaque and Listed building status in the UK?) seems sufficient to demonstrate notability under WP:NBUILD criterion 1. AllyD ( talk) 14:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Clearly passes GNG in its current iteration. Mr.choppers | ✎ 01:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep in light of expansion by AllyD per WP:HEY, which clearly demonstrates historical notability of this 165-year-old venue per WP:GNG. Obviously there is room for further expansion (and incorporation of additional sources, including books), but it's much better than when it was first nominated for deletion. Cielquiparle ( talk) 08:17, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY passes WP:GNG on improving edits made by AllyD. Resonant Distortion 18:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Thanks, AllyD for the work Star Mississippi 14:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Théâtre Libre (performing arts center)
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Another contested draft with zero in-depth coverage and no improvement. Searches turned up zero in-depth coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 10:20, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Theatre and France. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Inadequate coverage. If we are going to have an English-language article about this venue, someone is going to need to do a better job of writing an article. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- KEEP, it's a great article. Evangp ( talk) 13:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 11:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Even taking into account the sources on the French version, it fails WP:GNG. QuicoleJR ( talk) 11:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment:The present en.wiki article text is horribly truncated on the long history of this venue, which can be found described as "L'Eldorado, the aristocrat of the cafés-concerts" [1] and painted by Sickert [2]. Note also that, as per the fr.wiki article, a "Patrimoine du XXe siècle" designation was placed on the 1933 cinema hall (which replaced the original cafés-concert hall): [3]. AllyD ( talk) 12:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: I have expanded the article to provide a summary reflecting the history of the Eldorado. More could surely be said about the performers there, but for the moment I included famous artworks by Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec and Walter Sickert; a performance there by Félix Mayol may also be reflected in Proust: all of these perhaps fall under WP:NOTINHERITED but indicate the Eldorado's cultural position in its era. Anyway, the French Culture Ministry's "Patrimoine du XXe siècle" designation of the later building (apparently somewhere between Blue plaque and Listed building status in the UK?) seems sufficient to demonstrate notability under WP:NBUILD criterion 1. AllyD ( talk) 14:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Clearly passes GNG in its current iteration. Mr.choppers | ✎ 01:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep in light of expansion by AllyD per WP:HEY, which clearly demonstrates historical notability of this 165-year-old venue per WP:GNG. Obviously there is room for further expansion (and incorporation of additional sources, including books), but it's much better than when it was first nominated for deletion. Cielquiparle ( talk) 08:17, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY passes WP:GNG on improving edits made by AllyD. Resonant Distortion 18:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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