- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. There's clear consensus to delete here. Of the two people arguing to keep, one is the article's creator, and the other provided no policy-based arguments or sources. And, while Peter Rehse didn't provide a bolded, one-word statement, his analysis speaks to deletion.
@ Australianblackbelt:, if you like, I'll be happy to undelete this and move it back into your user space (or, even better, into draft space). Just drop me a note at User talk:RoySmith. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Terry Lim
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Non-notable martial artist lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix ( talk) 13:42, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep No need to look for sources or review WP:BEFORE as the article already shows that the topic has been attracting the attention of the world at large for a long time (nutshell WP:N). Unscintillating ( talk) 15:30, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Kudos on the hyperbole - but the sources don't demonstrate long-term, international recognition. Peter Rehse ( talk) 17:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete. Nom is correct. Appears to fail WP:MANOTE. Niteshift36 ( talk) 03:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete at best as I was notified about this article as the user asked me to review, my own searches have found only a few links but certainly nothing suggesting the depth needed to improve. SwisterTwister talk 07:27, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep This article uses The Latin Australian Times as a source this is a national newspaper http://sifu.maurice.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jpeg-LAT.jpg and the Subject Terry Lim has a documantary made about him entered in the Melbourne international film festival directed by Angus Sampson a notable person on wikipedia. http://miff.com.au/festival-archive/film/24574/its-him-terry-lim ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 07:45, 20 June 2016 (UTC))
- Lim is also an actor, known for Macbeth (2006) as the Chinese Businessman, It's Him... Terry Lim! as himself (2011) and Metal Warrior (2011) as The Secret Weapon.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2397814/ (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC))
- Minor roles, such as "Chinese businessman" do not help anyone pass notability. Niteshift36 ( talk) 17:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's him... Terry Lim, is a documentary about him played by himself directed by a notable Australian director this the point of focus in my comment not that minor role u mentioned ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 08:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC))
- Lim is also an actor, known for Macbeth (2006) as the Chinese Businessman, It's Him... Terry Lim! as himself (2011) and Metal Warrior (2011) as The Secret Weapon.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2397814/ (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC))
- Comment As it stands the subject does not meet either WP:NACTOR or WP:MANOTE. I also don't think he meets WP:GNG but perhaps there is more out there. I'll hold off voting for a bit - the AfD was started a bit too quick. Peter Rehse ( talk) 17:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable as an actor or martial artist. Don't know if the online paper the Latin Australian Times is a reliable source or not, but most of the article appears to be about his student. The only way WP:GNG is met is if the documentary is considered enough to meet it. I don't think so (and even then it's just one source). These days anyone can make a movie and enter a film festival, so it's not the big deal it used to be. I don't think GNG is met. Mdtemp ( talk) 14:24, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Mdtemp First of all The Latin Australian times is not an online paper it is a national paper available in every state hard copy See front cover=>>> http://sifu.maurice.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/LAT-front-715x1024.jpg Second of all the documentary is notmade by 'just anybody it was directed by Angus Ampson=>>> /info/en/?search=Angus_Sampson Lastly Terry Lim has everything stated in the article in print on the newspaper ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 04:50, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- Comment Hold off on deleting... as it says in his documentary he has 19 clubs and 3000 members in the martial art he created, population in Melbourne is 3.5 million. More source items will come up soon. ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 12:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- You can ask that the article is userfyed - and work on it there if the decision is to delete.
Peter Rehse (
talk) 12:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks
Peter Rehse What's going on here??? This article was nominated for deletion on the same day it was created... Can you read Spanish
reddogsix?? The Latin Australian Times is a National newspaper in Spanish, I had a lot of help from
Dragonfly6-7 writing this article (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- Of course, why would you even ask? BTW - the first two references will have to removed since they refer to items that per Wikipedia violate copyright laws. If you wish to use these articles, you will need to refer to the original location of the article created by the copyright owner. reddogsix ( talk) 13:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you kindly for the heads up
reddogsix, The references are of a hard copy newspaper not online, forgive my ignorance but how would they be used in this case? (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 11:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC))
- My pleasure, you would have to remove the reference to the current page and if the pages are not available online you can change the reference to the print version of the article.
reddogsix (
talk) 15:15, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip reddogsix it is now done set as print edition ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 06:46, 25 June 2016 (UTC))
- My pleasure, you would have to remove the reference to the current page and if the pages are not available online you can change the reference to the print version of the article.
reddogsix (
talk) 15:15, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks
Peter Rehse What's going on here??? This article was nominated for deletion on the same day it was created... Can you read Spanish
reddogsix?? The Latin Australian Times is a National newspaper in Spanish, I had a lot of help from
Dragonfly6-7 writing this article (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- You can ask that the article is userfyed - and work on it there if the decision is to delete.
Peter Rehse (
talk) 12:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Based on the references given at the article and my own search, I do not see the significant independent coverage needed to meet WP:GNG. He does not meet any of the notability criteria for martial artists at WP:MANOTE. Creating his own martial art is not an indicator of notability. Papaursa ( talk) 22:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. There's clear consensus to delete here. Of the two people arguing to keep, one is the article's creator, and the other provided no policy-based arguments or sources. And, while Peter Rehse didn't provide a bolded, one-word statement, his analysis speaks to deletion.
@ Australianblackbelt:, if you like, I'll be happy to undelete this and move it back into your user space (or, even better, into draft space). Just drop me a note at User talk:RoySmith. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Terry Lim
- Terry Lim ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable martial artist lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix ( talk) 13:42, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep No need to look for sources or review WP:BEFORE as the article already shows that the topic has been attracting the attention of the world at large for a long time (nutshell WP:N). Unscintillating ( talk) 15:30, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Kudos on the hyperbole - but the sources don't demonstrate long-term, international recognition. Peter Rehse ( talk) 17:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Nom is correct. Appears to fail WP:MANOTE. Niteshift36 ( talk) 03:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete at best as I was notified about this article as the user asked me to review, my own searches have found only a few links but certainly nothing suggesting the depth needed to improve. SwisterTwister talk 07:27, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep This article uses The Latin Australian Times as a source this is a national newspaper http://sifu.maurice.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jpeg-LAT.jpg and the Subject Terry Lim has a documantary made about him entered in the Melbourne international film festival directed by Angus Sampson a notable person on wikipedia. http://miff.com.au/festival-archive/film/24574/its-him-terry-lim ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 07:45, 20 June 2016 (UTC))
- Lim is also an actor, known for Macbeth (2006) as the Chinese Businessman, It's Him... Terry Lim! as himself (2011) and Metal Warrior (2011) as The Secret Weapon.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2397814/ (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC))
- Minor roles, such as "Chinese businessman" do not help anyone pass notability. Niteshift36 ( talk) 17:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- It's him... Terry Lim, is a documentary about him played by himself directed by a notable Australian director this the point of focus in my comment not that minor role u mentioned ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 08:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC))
- Lim is also an actor, known for Macbeth (2006) as the Chinese Businessman, It's Him... Terry Lim! as himself (2011) and Metal Warrior (2011) as The Secret Weapon.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2397814/ (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC))
- Comment As it stands the subject does not meet either WP:NACTOR or WP:MANOTE. I also don't think he meets WP:GNG but perhaps there is more out there. I'll hold off voting for a bit - the AfD was started a bit too quick. Peter Rehse ( talk) 17:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable as an actor or martial artist. Don't know if the online paper the Latin Australian Times is a reliable source or not, but most of the article appears to be about his student. The only way WP:GNG is met is if the documentary is considered enough to meet it. I don't think so (and even then it's just one source). These days anyone can make a movie and enter a film festival, so it's not the big deal it used to be. I don't think GNG is met. Mdtemp ( talk) 14:24, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Mdtemp First of all The Latin Australian times is not an online paper it is a national paper available in every state hard copy See front cover=>>> http://sifu.maurice.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/LAT-front-715x1024.jpg Second of all the documentary is notmade by 'just anybody it was directed by Angus Ampson=>>> /info/en/?search=Angus_Sampson Lastly Terry Lim has everything stated in the article in print on the newspaper ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 04:50, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- Comment Hold off on deleting... as it says in his documentary he has 19 clubs and 3000 members in the martial art he created, population in Melbourne is 3.5 million. More source items will come up soon. ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 12:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- You can ask that the article is userfyed - and work on it there if the decision is to delete.
Peter Rehse (
talk) 12:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks
Peter Rehse What's going on here??? This article was nominated for deletion on the same day it was created... Can you read Spanish
reddogsix?? The Latin Australian Times is a National newspaper in Spanish, I had a lot of help from
Dragonfly6-7 writing this article (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- Of course, why would you even ask? BTW - the first two references will have to removed since they refer to items that per Wikipedia violate copyright laws. If you wish to use these articles, you will need to refer to the original location of the article created by the copyright owner. reddogsix ( talk) 13:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you kindly for the heads up
reddogsix, The references are of a hard copy newspaper not online, forgive my ignorance but how would they be used in this case? (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 11:37, 24 June 2016 (UTC))
- My pleasure, you would have to remove the reference to the current page and if the pages are not available online you can change the reference to the print version of the article.
reddogsix (
talk) 15:15, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip reddogsix it is now done set as print edition ( Australianblackbelt ( talk) 06:46, 25 June 2016 (UTC))
- My pleasure, you would have to remove the reference to the current page and if the pages are not available online you can change the reference to the print version of the article.
reddogsix (
talk) 15:15, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks
Peter Rehse What's going on here??? This article was nominated for deletion on the same day it was created... Can you read Spanish
reddogsix?? The Latin Australian Times is a National newspaper in Spanish, I had a lot of help from
Dragonfly6-7 writing this article (
Australianblackbelt (
talk) 12:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC))
- You can ask that the article is userfyed - and work on it there if the decision is to delete.
Peter Rehse (
talk) 12:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Based on the references given at the article and my own search, I do not see the significant independent coverage needed to meet WP:GNG. He does not meet any of the notability criteria for martial artists at WP:MANOTE. Creating his own martial art is not an indicator of notability. Papaursa ( talk) 22:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.