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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) ansh 666 04:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Ted Ginn, Sr.
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Despite the outcome of the previous AFD, this article does not meet GNG for significant coverage. This is supposedly a BLP article about Ted Ginn, not an article about the school he "started" (where the funding was not his either, and I would posit nobody took seriously until Junior got famous, so I think there's a notability inheritance question around the school, too). WP guidelines indicate that high school coaches generally are not notable, and we already don't do notability by inheritance. Of the eight sources, two are used to establish his parentage of Junior, and the other six are about the school, not about Ginn's career or personal life. So I'm not seeing the GNG coverage of the subject that is required by the guideline. I am seeing a guy who rose to prominence because of his son, as there is nothing in this coverage of Senior that predates Junior's NFL career, and as such was able to start a school with other people's money. Other than that, I know nothing about him as a person, which is the point of a biographical article. Therefore, this article needs to go, and the merits of a standalone article on the school need to be considered under the relevant guidelines. MSJapan ( talk) 19:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Disagree: the article should be kept. Ginn has produced several notable college and professional football players besides his son, at both Glenville High School and at the Ginn Academy. He is not an infrequent interviewee on national television during football seasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.163.52.37 ( talk) 19:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- — Keep !vote added by me to match intent of the unsigned comment.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep I see no reason to overturn the previous AFD. I disagree with the assessment of the sources made by the nominator. For example, the article titled "Ted Ginn Sr. is Changing Lives by the Dozens. And He's Just Getting Warmed Up" is an article featuring the individual's accomplishments, which is one of the key measures used to determine notability. So far as I can tell, the previous AFD and all the arguments contained within it are sound for keeping the article.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Given that it's collateral coverage derived from his well-known son, there are references from several reliable second and third party sources about Ginn Sr. Meets WP:N and WP:RS. Tapered ( talk) 09:53, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per the first AfD and Paul McDonald's evaluation above.-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 00:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) ansh 666 04:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Ted Ginn, Sr.
- Ted Ginn, Sr. ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Despite the outcome of the previous AFD, this article does not meet GNG for significant coverage. This is supposedly a BLP article about Ted Ginn, not an article about the school he "started" (where the funding was not his either, and I would posit nobody took seriously until Junior got famous, so I think there's a notability inheritance question around the school, too). WP guidelines indicate that high school coaches generally are not notable, and we already don't do notability by inheritance. Of the eight sources, two are used to establish his parentage of Junior, and the other six are about the school, not about Ginn's career or personal life. So I'm not seeing the GNG coverage of the subject that is required by the guideline. I am seeing a guy who rose to prominence because of his son, as there is nothing in this coverage of Senior that predates Junior's NFL career, and as such was able to start a school with other people's money. Other than that, I know nothing about him as a person, which is the point of a biographical article. Therefore, this article needs to go, and the merits of a standalone article on the school need to be considered under the relevant guidelines. MSJapan ( talk) 19:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Disagree: the article should be kept. Ginn has produced several notable college and professional football players besides his son, at both Glenville High School and at the Ginn Academy. He is not an infrequent interviewee on national television during football seasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.163.52.37 ( talk) 19:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- — Keep !vote added by me to match intent of the unsigned comment.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep I see no reason to overturn the previous AFD. I disagree with the assessment of the sources made by the nominator. For example, the article titled "Ted Ginn Sr. is Changing Lives by the Dozens. And He's Just Getting Warmed Up" is an article featuring the individual's accomplishments, which is one of the key measures used to determine notability. So far as I can tell, the previous AFD and all the arguments contained within it are sound for keeping the article.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 06:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Given that it's collateral coverage derived from his well-known son, there are references from several reliable second and third party sources about Ginn Sr. Meets WP:N and WP:RS. Tapered ( talk) 09:53, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per the first AfD and Paul McDonald's evaluation above.-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 00:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
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