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The result was delete. Seems like we don't have enough substantial sources here. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:09, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL. Appears to be a COI editor. Power~enwiki ( talk) 02:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment @ Power~enwiki: judging from the text, with its references to linebackers and running backs, this guy is involved with the sport of American football, whereas the notability guideline you cite above is for the sport of association football (known in the US as soccer). You may wish to pick a more appropriate guideline to cite..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment not ready to go either way right now, but the article itself needs editing.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 19:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete. Currently it's an unsourced BLP, which is a serious (but seemingly resolvable) issue. Absent that difficulty, this is an article about an assistant coach who has worked under a notable figure - Gruden - and played for another comparatively notable one in the college ranks. I don't see anything establishing his notability per WP:NGRIDIRON, though. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Do you think it passes
WP:GNG?
WikiOriginal-9 (
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01:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- I doubt he would do so if referenced, no. The references you've provided above are more of the "local boy makes good" variety, which I don't take as a GNG pass. Considering the lack of big-time media coverage for anything below the NFL and top-flight NCAA programs, I'm leaning in that direction. Happy to be proven wrong, of course, but that's where I'm leaning pending more developments. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:09, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Do you think it passes
WP:GNG?
WikiOriginal-9 (
talk)
01:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:COI with editor, fails WP:PROMO and WP:NFOOTBALL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by -- EC Racing ( talk) 00:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC) EC Racing ( talk • contribs) 13:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think any of those three reasons are necessarily reasons to delete the article. Do you think it passes WP:GNG? WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: Regardless of the poor state of the article and any COI issues (as well as the wrong NSPORT listed in the nomination), this guy only has some local routine and run-of-the-mill sports coverage (as in he did not receive significant independent coverage from multiple sources). As to his level of involvement in American football, his highest position was an assistant for the Arena Football League, arguably the third most covered pro league in North America after the NFL and CFL (also below NCAA Div. I). Assistants are specifically mentioned in WP:NGRIDIRON as to not be high enough to presume notablity. His highest head coaching position was in a very low professional league (with some teams more on the semi-pro side of the line). Yosemiter ( talk) 13:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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* Comment WikiOriginal-9 no it does not meet WP:GNG and clear WP:COI with author. -- EC Racing ( talk) 00:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- COI isn't necessarily a reason to delete the article. Also, you accidentally registered two delete votes. Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 00:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry WikiOriginal-9, edited from 2nd vote to "comment" -- EC Racing ( talk) 16:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Seems like we don't have enough substantial sources here. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:09, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL. Appears to be a COI editor. Power~enwiki ( talk) 02:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment @ Power~enwiki: judging from the text, with its references to linebackers and running backs, this guy is involved with the sport of American football, whereas the notability guideline you cite above is for the sport of association football (known in the US as soccer). You may wish to pick a more appropriate guideline to cite..... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Sources: [1] [2] [3] WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 19:20, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment not ready to go either way right now, but the article itself needs editing.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 19:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete. Currently it's an unsourced BLP, which is a serious (but seemingly resolvable) issue. Absent that difficulty, this is an article about an assistant coach who has worked under a notable figure - Gruden - and played for another comparatively notable one in the college ranks. I don't see anything establishing his notability per WP:NGRIDIRON, though. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Do you think it passes
WP:GNG?
WikiOriginal-9 (
talk)
01:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- I doubt he would do so if referenced, no. The references you've provided above are more of the "local boy makes good" variety, which I don't take as a GNG pass. Considering the lack of big-time media coverage for anything below the NFL and top-flight NCAA programs, I'm leaning in that direction. Happy to be proven wrong, of course, but that's where I'm leaning pending more developments. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:09, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Do you think it passes
WP:GNG?
WikiOriginal-9 (
talk)
01:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:COI with editor, fails WP:PROMO and WP:NFOOTBALL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by -- EC Racing ( talk) 00:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC) EC Racing ( talk • contribs) 13:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think any of those three reasons are necessarily reasons to delete the article. Do you think it passes WP:GNG? WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 01:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: Regardless of the poor state of the article and any COI issues (as well as the wrong NSPORT listed in the nomination), this guy only has some local routine and run-of-the-mill sports coverage (as in he did not receive significant independent coverage from multiple sources). As to his level of involvement in American football, his highest position was an assistant for the Arena Football League, arguably the third most covered pro league in North America after the NFL and CFL (also below NCAA Div. I). Assistants are specifically mentioned in WP:NGRIDIRON as to not be high enough to presume notablity. His highest head coaching position was in a very low professional league (with some teams more on the semi-pro side of the line). Yosemiter ( talk) 13:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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* Comment WikiOriginal-9 no it does not meet WP:GNG and clear WP:COI with author. -- EC Racing ( talk) 00:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- COI isn't necessarily a reason to delete the article. Also, you accidentally registered two delete votes. Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 ( talk) 00:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Sorry WikiOriginal-9, edited from 2nd vote to "comment" -- EC Racing ( talk) 16:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
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