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The result was merge to Kūdō. Sandstein 23:02, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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to be clear, I do _not_ want this article deleted, it is my article, but the BLP prod clock was running down, so this is the only way to get larger community input. There are 53,000+ Google hits for this name+karate, in English, Russian, German, Italian and some Indian languages, but many are industry publications, mirrors of the wiki article in other languages and so on. I am certain that good references must be out there, but have no idea where to look further. Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 10:30, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- These sources confirm that the subject founded this martial art. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 10:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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86.17.222.157: Thanks, but are those sources reliable?--
Kintetsubuffalo (
talk)
11:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- They are from Terra Chile and El País of Colombia, which both seem to be reputable media outlets. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 12:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- @
86.17.222.157: Thanks, but are those sources reliable?--
Kintetsubuffalo (
talk)
11:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you!-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 12:23, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse ( talk) 11:06, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Comment All you needed to do was insert one RS that backed up one statement for that BLP Prod to go away - but now there is a larger issue. Is he notable enough for a larger article. In my opinion he is mentioned enough in the article on the art he founded and does not require his own article. The Kūdō article has similar problems - the sources are primary - and does not show notability in the wiki way. Peter Rehse ( talk) 11:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- @ PRehse:Problem is I went looking, and everything I found, as I said, was a non-RS. This will settle all those issues, one way or another, and unlike Trump, I will accept the outcome. ;) -- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 11:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - Look at criteria for athletic notability. While the subject is interesting, I question whether it could meet the notability requirement.-- Rpclod ( talk) 12:59, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- The criteria in WP:MANOTE is more applicable. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Merge with Kūdō. The references above are more about the art rather than the subject. It would be a good thing if the above references were included in the Kūdō article since that one is at risk of being deleted for lack of asserted notability also. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Merge with Kūdō, as above. I agree that the available reliable sources seem to be about the art rather than about Takashi Azuma. Merging will keep the history intact so if anyone can find better sources in the future an independent article can be recreated. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 18:44, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Kūdō. Sandstein 23:02, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
- Takashi Azuma ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
to be clear, I do _not_ want this article deleted, it is my article, but the BLP prod clock was running down, so this is the only way to get larger community input. There are 53,000+ Google hits for this name+karate, in English, Russian, German, Italian and some Indian languages, but many are industry publications, mirrors of the wiki article in other languages and so on. I am certain that good references must be out there, but have no idea where to look further. Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 10:30, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- These sources confirm that the subject founded this martial art. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 10:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- @
86.17.222.157: Thanks, but are those sources reliable?--
Kintetsubuffalo (
talk)
11:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- They are from Terra Chile and El País of Colombia, which both seem to be reputable media outlets. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 12:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- @
86.17.222.157: Thanks, but are those sources reliable?--
Kintetsubuffalo (
talk)
11:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you!-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 12:23, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse ( talk) 11:06, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Comment All you needed to do was insert one RS that backed up one statement for that BLP Prod to go away - but now there is a larger issue. Is he notable enough for a larger article. In my opinion he is mentioned enough in the article on the art he founded and does not require his own article. The Kūdō article has similar problems - the sources are primary - and does not show notability in the wiki way. Peter Rehse ( talk) 11:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- @ PRehse:Problem is I went looking, and everything I found, as I said, was a non-RS. This will settle all those issues, one way or another, and unlike Trump, I will accept the outcome. ;) -- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 11:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 12:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 12:11, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Look at criteria for athletic notability. While the subject is interesting, I question whether it could meet the notability requirement.-- Rpclod ( talk) 12:59, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- The criteria in WP:MANOTE is more applicable. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Merge with Kūdō. The references above are more about the art rather than the subject. It would be a good thing if the above references were included in the Kūdō article since that one is at risk of being deleted for lack of asserted notability also. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
- Merge with Kūdō, as above. I agree that the available reliable sources seem to be about the art rather than about Takashi Azuma. Merging will keep the history intact so if anyone can find better sources in the future an independent article can be recreated. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 18:44, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.