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The result was keep. The consensus is that there is just enough sources to meet the notability criteria. PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 11:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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Non-notable person Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 01:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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- KeepNotable for being the first person to regularly teach Aikido in the west. Peter Rehse ( talk) 12:35, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-notable. TheGreenGiant23 ( talk) 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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- Speedy Keep Pioneer of Aikido to the west. This is documented.
CrazyAces489 (
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22:59, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Delete - Being the first in something doesn't necessarily mean your notable, especially if it's just in a different location. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 02:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Changing vote. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 17:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)- forward to aikido although aikido is an ineffective martial art with a strange cult like following. This guy should be on its page.
172.56.34.233 (
talk)
15:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- This is generally true for example first person to teach in Germany, Easter US, etc. What we are talking about is the first person to be officially sent to bring Aikido to the west. That is a huge thing in the expansion of aikido outside of Japan and why I think the person who did that is notable. It turns out that 8 years ago the first edit was by myself but I think I was helping someone else move it into article space which is ironic considering that if I was really paranoid, the nomination may be a revenge AfD. I was glad that the references have been improved since the AfD nomination.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
11:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm glad you brought this into better view. I choose sometimes random article deletion topics to get a broad scope on subjects, but sometimes I make mistakes. I will change my vote to keep per your argument . TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 17:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- This is generally true for example first person to teach in Germany, Easter US, etc. What we are talking about is the first person to be officially sent to bring Aikido to the west. That is a huge thing in the expansion of aikido outside of Japan and why I think the person who did that is notable. It turns out that 8 years ago the first edit was by myself but I think I was helping someone else move it into article space which is ironic considering that if I was really paranoid, the nomination may be a revenge AfD. I was glad that the references have been improved since the AfD nomination.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
11:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Several non-RS were in use. They've been removed. Lack of significant coverage by reliable 3rd party sources. Niteshift36 ( talk) 19:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- I question the removal of several of those sources. AikiNews/AikiJournal are pretty reliable 3rd party sources. These were published in print form for years and have a very good reputation for accuracy.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
22:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Did you not notice that I restored them. I disagree, but it's not worth fighting. Even with them, I don't see the coverage needed. Niteshift36 ( talk) 01:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well they weren't but I did. Peter Rehse ( talk) 08:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- I question the removal of several of those sources. AikiNews/AikiJournal are pretty reliable 3rd party sources. These were published in print form for years and have a very good reputation for accuracy.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
22:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Established to be an influential figure in a field by multiple reliable sources. — innotata 07:02, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 21:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Does not support ( WP:GNG). Wiki92man ( Talk/ Stalk) 09:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep Per sources found and Innotata, also the fact that this is a pre-internet, mostly foreign language person, the sources found in English are enough. GuzzyG ( talk) 03:42, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep though more sources would be good. Sofiamar ( talk) 23:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The consensus is that there is just enough sources to meet the notability criteria. PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 11:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Tadashi Abe ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable person Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 01:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)| lambast 02:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse ( talk) 09:26, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- KeepNotable for being the first person to regularly teach Aikido in the west. Peter Rehse ( talk) 12:35, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-notable. TheGreenGiant23 ( talk) 16:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. ( t) Josve05a ( c) 17:13, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep Pioneer of Aikido to the west. This is documented.
CrazyAces489 (
talk)
22:59, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Delete - Being the first in something doesn't necessarily mean your notable, especially if it's just in a different location. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 02:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Changing vote. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 17:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)- forward to aikido although aikido is an ineffective martial art with a strange cult like following. This guy should be on its page.
172.56.34.233 (
talk)
15:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- This is generally true for example first person to teach in Germany, Easter US, etc. What we are talking about is the first person to be officially sent to bring Aikido to the west. That is a huge thing in the expansion of aikido outside of Japan and why I think the person who did that is notable. It turns out that 8 years ago the first edit was by myself but I think I was helping someone else move it into article space which is ironic considering that if I was really paranoid, the nomination may be a revenge AfD. I was glad that the references have been improved since the AfD nomination.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
11:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- I'm glad you brought this into better view. I choose sometimes random article deletion topics to get a broad scope on subjects, but sometimes I make mistakes. I will change my vote to keep per your argument . TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 17:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- This is generally true for example first person to teach in Germany, Easter US, etc. What we are talking about is the first person to be officially sent to bring Aikido to the west. That is a huge thing in the expansion of aikido outside of Japan and why I think the person who did that is notable. It turns out that 8 years ago the first edit was by myself but I think I was helping someone else move it into article space which is ironic considering that if I was really paranoid, the nomination may be a revenge AfD. I was glad that the references have been improved since the AfD nomination.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
11:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Several non-RS were in use. They've been removed. Lack of significant coverage by reliable 3rd party sources. Niteshift36 ( talk) 19:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- I question the removal of several of those sources. AikiNews/AikiJournal are pretty reliable 3rd party sources. These were published in print form for years and have a very good reputation for accuracy.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
22:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Did you not notice that I restored them. I disagree, but it's not worth fighting. Even with them, I don't see the coverage needed. Niteshift36 ( talk) 01:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well they weren't but I did. Peter Rehse ( talk) 08:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- I question the removal of several of those sources. AikiNews/AikiJournal are pretty reliable 3rd party sources. These were published in print form for years and have a very good reputation for accuracy.
Peter Rehse (
talk)
22:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Established to be an influential figure in a field by multiple reliable sources. — innotata 07:02, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 21:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 21:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Does not support ( WP:GNG). Wiki92man ( Talk/ Stalk) 09:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Per sources found and Innotata, also the fact that this is a pre-internet, mostly foreign language person, the sources found in English are enough. GuzzyG ( talk) 03:42, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep though more sources would be good. Sofiamar ( talk) 23:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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