The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus with No prejudice against speedy renomination. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:30, 17 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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There are a lack of reliable references and the ones we can salvage are unreliable external links. Sikonmina ( talk) 06:13, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not eligible for soft deletion due to previous WP:PROD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 06:30, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete - Despite a long career and many albums, it appears that significant and reliable coverage has eluded this band. They have a bare-bones listing at AllMusic but none of the albums have staff reviews. They get occasional unreliable blog reviews (e.g. [1], [2]) but even those are rare. Beyond that I can only find some basic retail listings, even when searching for the band's name in conjunction with the founding members' names. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC) reply
• hardrockhaven.net seems to be reliable and with Allmusic, I believe, would be 2 reliable sources. I don't know of other persons' opinions of this. Sikonmina ( talk) 10:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC) reply

For AllMusic, the expectation in WP is that the site should have a professionally-written biography and robust reviews of their albums. This band only has a bare placeholder in AllMusic without anything beyond their existence listed. AllMusic is a reliable source when it says something, not nothing. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC) reply

I'm confused by this reasoning. There are selfpublished albums, aren't there? And aren't albums defined by the number of songs on the disc as are singles and extended plays? If it's been noted on allmusic, then it should be notable. Sikonmina ( talk) 22:23, 14 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Looking at [3], it states:

"If I send you my biography or a write-up on my product, will you add it to your database?

TiVo's editorial policy is that all reviews, synopses, and biographies must be written by their staff and freelance contributors, so they cannot simply copy and paste content supplied by artists and labels or studios. However, this copy is very helpful to them as research material, so please do send it along."

so if the album or band is on the website, it should be WP:N. Sikonmina ( talk) 06:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC) reply

See WP:SIGCOV, where you'll find that merely being mentioned in a source is not sufficient. There has to be descriptive or critical context too. See also WP:EXIST, as nothing is notable just because it exists. All we know from AllMusic is that this band exists. So what? We don't need a Wikipedia article that says nothing verifiable about a band that nobody else ever said anything verifiable about. I was once mentioned by name in a city newspaper because I had done some volunteer work. That doesn't make me notable just because the source is reliable. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 14:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC) reply

• Keep I unfortunately have to change my vote to keep. I won't strike out my nomination vote though to preserve this conversation. Sikonmina ( talk) 03:25, 16 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Huh? You nominated the band for deletion because there were few reliable sources, and then changed your mind after the ensuing discussion in which we found even fewer reliable sources? Now you have the opportunity to take this to the next level. Improve the band's article by removing all unverifiable and unsupported statements, after which there will be nothing left, then repopulate the text with everything that AllMusic doesn't say about them. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 16:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC) reply

You are voting delete so should I withdraw this nomination? Sikonmina ( talk) 08:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC) reply

• • Sikonmina, that is weird. It appears you send articles to AFD just to check whether they're notable or not. Neocorelight ( Talk) 23:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC) reply

This isn't a vote and I'm not perfect. In light of doomsdayer520's response, I feel I have to balance those articles that follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I am still learning. Sikonmina ( talk) 08:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.