- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. After over a month and three relistings, there is no consensus at this time regarding retention or deletion of the article. There are distinct possibilities of a page move and/or merge(s), the discussion of which can continue on an article talk page. (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica 1000 11:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
AfDs for this article:
- Syed Ahmed ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This is a cleverly crafted article about the subject but who's fundamental notability for an article here requires discussion. He appeared briefly in a TV reality show. The article appears stuffed with fluff to make the subject significantly more notable than they are. Leaky Caldron 20:08, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment To my surprise all the previous AfDs listed are about this person and so this is actually the fifth nomination:
- May 2006 - delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed
- August 2006 - keep Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed2
- September 2006 - delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed3
- March 2009 - keep Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed (entrepreneur). Thryduulf ( talk) 22:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Move and redirect. The only to things he has done that are actually potentially notable in our terms are to have appeared on The Apprentice and to have appeared in a documentary about him starting his own hand dryer business with the latter entirely down to the former and actually I think would confer more notability on the company ( SAVortex, which doesn't seem to have ever had an article) than on him. If the company were notable then I'd suggest a very heavily trimmed version of this article could be merged there, but as it isn't I'd suggest moving this page back to Syed Ahmed (entrepreneur) (so Syed Ahmed (politician) can take the primary topic title) and then redirect to The Apprentice (UK series 2). Thryduulf ( talk) 22:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete altogether, and make a protected redirect to the politician so the article cannot be diverted. Appearing in a game show is not notability, and it's time we decided that once and for all. 'DGG (at NYPL)' ( talk) 20:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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• Gene93k (
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02:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- An article about him has been created on the London Wiki - possibly needing some development, so a compromise with WP can be reached. Jackiespeel ( talk) 00:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - Since his participation on The Apprentice: the subject has maintained his media and business profile, and gained more notability. Tanbircdq ( talk) 17:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000 (talk) 05:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- Merge with List of The Apprentice candidates (UK series two)#Syed Ahmed. The subject is largely notable for his appearance on the reality TV show and so is only notable for one event as per WP:1E, however, the subject has remained active since then. His career after his TV appearances are verifiable in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources so he at the very least fulfills WP:BASIC. They should not be included in his "mini-bio" at the suggested merge page. N4 ( talk) 03:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - The article is well sourced and subject seems notable. YousufMiah ( talk) 22:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Sources independent, reliable & article meets GNG.
81.129.157.53 (
talk)
14:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Almost certainly an invalid !vote per WP:ILLEGIT. Leaky Caldron 14:55, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | chat _ 05:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- Third relist rationale - While there is a decent quantity of discussion here, there is not much policy-based discussion on whether or not this individual passes WP:GNG (and why, or why not). I think the discussion is close to attaining a consensus, but not quite there yet. ‑Scottywong | converse _ 05:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Most sources refer to/highlight his appearance on The Apprentice, which does not merit notability. The article, as the nomination states, is fancruft to keep him visible. — Wylie pedia 17:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. After over a month and three relistings, there is no consensus at this time regarding retention or deletion of the article. There are distinct possibilities of a page move and/or merge(s), the discussion of which can continue on an article talk page. (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica 1000 11:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
AfDs for this article:
- Syed Ahmed ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This is a cleverly crafted article about the subject but who's fundamental notability for an article here requires discussion. He appeared briefly in a TV reality show. The article appears stuffed with fluff to make the subject significantly more notable than they are. Leaky Caldron 20:08, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 20:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 20:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment To my surprise all the previous AfDs listed are about this person and so this is actually the fifth nomination:
- May 2006 - delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed
- August 2006 - keep Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed2
- September 2006 - delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed3
- March 2009 - keep Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed (entrepreneur). Thryduulf ( talk) 22:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Move and redirect. The only to things he has done that are actually potentially notable in our terms are to have appeared on The Apprentice and to have appeared in a documentary about him starting his own hand dryer business with the latter entirely down to the former and actually I think would confer more notability on the company ( SAVortex, which doesn't seem to have ever had an article) than on him. If the company were notable then I'd suggest a very heavily trimmed version of this article could be merged there, but as it isn't I'd suggest moving this page back to Syed Ahmed (entrepreneur) (so Syed Ahmed (politician) can take the primary topic title) and then redirect to The Apprentice (UK series 2). Thryduulf ( talk) 22:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete altogether, and make a protected redirect to the politician so the article cannot be diverted. Appearing in a game show is not notability, and it's time we decided that once and for all. 'DGG (at NYPL)' ( talk) 20:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000 (talk) 01:22, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the
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• Gene93k (
talk)
02:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- An article about him has been created on the London Wiki - possibly needing some development, so a compromise with WP can be reached. Jackiespeel ( talk) 00:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - Since his participation on The Apprentice: the subject has maintained his media and business profile, and gained more notability. Tanbircdq ( talk) 17:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000 (talk) 05:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- Merge with List of The Apprentice candidates (UK series two)#Syed Ahmed. The subject is largely notable for his appearance on the reality TV show and so is only notable for one event as per WP:1E, however, the subject has remained active since then. His career after his TV appearances are verifiable in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources so he at the very least fulfills WP:BASIC. They should not be included in his "mini-bio" at the suggested merge page. N4 ( talk) 03:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - The article is well sourced and subject seems notable. YousufMiah ( talk) 22:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Sources independent, reliable & article meets GNG.
81.129.157.53 (
talk)
14:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Almost certainly an invalid !vote per WP:ILLEGIT. Leaky Caldron 14:55, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | chat _ 05:05, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- Third relist rationale - While there is a decent quantity of discussion here, there is not much policy-based discussion on whether or not this individual passes WP:GNG (and why, or why not). I think the discussion is close to attaining a consensus, but not quite there yet. ‑Scottywong | converse _ 05:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Most sources refer to/highlight his appearance on The Apprentice, which does not merit notability. The article, as the nomination states, is fancruft to keep him visible. — Wylie pedia 17:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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