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The result was keep. Michig ( talk) 13:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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This person lacks significant coverage from reliable sources, fails WP:GNG. ZLEA T\ C 02:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 02:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- 岳怀让 (2019-03-16). 蒋晨锐; 张艳 (eds.).
""飞鲨"舰载机总设计师孙聪院士履新中国航空研究院院长" [Academician Sun Cong, Chief Designer of "Flying Shark" carrier aircraft, serves as the Dean of the New China Academy of Aeronautics and Astronautics].
The Paper (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2021-10-11. Retrieved 2021-10-11.
The article notes from Google Translate: "According to the official resume, Sun Cong was born in February 1961, a member of the Communist Party of China, a researcher, a doctorate in aircraft design from Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and an academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering. Sun Cong successively served as deputy chief designer, deputy director, director, deputy secretary of the party committee, chief designer, and deputy chief engineer of the group company of Shenyang Aircraft Design and Research Institute. Since August 2016, he has served as deputy director of the group company's science and technology committee. In addition, according to previous reports by The Paper, Sun Cong, who graduated from Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, is also the chief designer of the J-11, J-15 "Flying Shark" carrier aircraft, and the FC-31 "Falcon Eagle", alongside Yang Wei and Tang Changhong. Known as the "Three Masters of Aviation". According to a report from CCTV.com in September 2013, CCTV's "Face to Face" program had an exclusive interview with Sun Cong ..."
- 邱伊扬, ed. (2018-05-25).
"孙聪：军工战线上的"航空人"" [Sun Cong: "Aviator" on the military front] (in Chinese).
NetEase. Archived from
the original on 2021-10-11. Retrieved 2021-10-11.
The article notes from Google Translate: "He has won the special prize of the National Science and Technology Progress Award and the National May 1st Labor Medal. Member of the 11th and 12th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. Served as chief designer of many key models such as F-15 and Falcon."
- 岳怀让 (2019-03-16). 蒋晨锐; 张艳 (eds.).
""飞鲨"舰载机总设计师孙聪院士履新中国航空研究院院长" [Academician Sun Cong, Chief Designer of "Flying Shark" carrier aircraft, serves as the Dean of the New China Academy of Aeronautics and Astronautics].
The Paper (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2021-10-11. Retrieved 2021-10-11.
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Cunard (
talk)
10:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- Cunard Both of the sources you list above are known Chinese propaganda agencies, which hardly count as reliable sources, let alone independent of the subject. - ZLEA T\ C 14:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: Umm!
ZLEA How
The Paper (newspaper) was Chinese propaganda? How do you know? According to ? Pls provide source to support that the media is propaganda. Your opinion clearly based on
WP:IDONTLIKE.
VocalIndia (
talk)
02:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- VocalIndia How about this source (which calls The Paper "state-owned/funded" or similar multiple times) taken straight from The Paper (newspaper)? While the source praises The Paper for being less biased than most Chinese state-owned media, it still makes it clear that the Chinese Communist Party has control over it. Plus, the fact that The Paper (newspaper) is categorized under Category:Chinese propaganda organisations, Category:Chinese Communist Party newspapers, and Category:State media should be a major red flag that it is not reliable. Even New York Times states that it is overseen by the Communist Party.
- I will kindly ask you to retract your claim that my opinion is based on WP:IDONTLIKE. - ZLEA T\ C 03:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Cunards sources are sufficient to meet WP:BASIC. I disagree with the noms argument that the sources are unreliable because they are state run. Firstly, the second source is posted by NetEase, a private company. Secondly, being state run alone does not make them unreliable, there are several state run sources on WP:RSP like Xinhua and China Daily that are perfectly acceptable to use in most non controversial circumstances, and this person is not a controversial subject (and if he was, he would have coverage in Western sources which makes this issue moot) Jumpytoo Talk 03:49, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Biased nomination. The user who nominated it for deletion is not being here to build an encyclopedia. This article meets WP:BASIC and the nomination is clearly based on WP:IDONTLIKE. Satrar ( talk) 13:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Michig ( talk) 13:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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This person lacks significant coverage from reliable sources, fails WP:GNG. ZLEA T\ C 02:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ZLEA T\ C 02:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 02:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- 岳怀让 (2019-03-16). 蒋晨锐; 张艳 (eds.).
""飞鲨"舰载机总设计师孙聪院士履新中国航空研究院院长" [Academician Sun Cong, Chief Designer of "Flying Shark" carrier aircraft, serves as the Dean of the New China Academy of Aeronautics and Astronautics].
The Paper (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2021-10-11. Retrieved 2021-10-11.
The article notes from Google Translate: "According to the official resume, Sun Cong was born in February 1961, a member of the Communist Party of China, a researcher, a doctorate in aircraft design from Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and an academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering. Sun Cong successively served as deputy chief designer, deputy director, director, deputy secretary of the party committee, chief designer, and deputy chief engineer of the group company of Shenyang Aircraft Design and Research Institute. Since August 2016, he has served as deputy director of the group company's science and technology committee. In addition, according to previous reports by The Paper, Sun Cong, who graduated from Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, is also the chief designer of the J-11, J-15 "Flying Shark" carrier aircraft, and the FC-31 "Falcon Eagle", alongside Yang Wei and Tang Changhong. Known as the "Three Masters of Aviation". According to a report from CCTV.com in September 2013, CCTV's "Face to Face" program had an exclusive interview with Sun Cong ..."
- 邱伊扬, ed. (2018-05-25).
"孙聪：军工战线上的"航空人"" [Sun Cong: "Aviator" on the military front] (in Chinese).
NetEase. Archived from
the original on 2021-10-11. Retrieved 2021-10-11.
The article notes from Google Translate: "He has won the special prize of the National Science and Technology Progress Award and the National May 1st Labor Medal. Member of the 11th and 12th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. Served as chief designer of many key models such as F-15 and Falcon."
- 岳怀让 (2019-03-16). 蒋晨锐; 张艳 (eds.).
""飞鲨"舰载机总设计师孙聪院士履新中国航空研究院院长" [Academician Sun Cong, Chief Designer of "Flying Shark" carrier aircraft, serves as the Dean of the New China Academy of Aeronautics and Astronautics].
The Paper (in Chinese). Archived from
the original on 2021-10-11. Retrieved 2021-10-11.
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of China-related deletion discussions.
Cunard (
talk)
10:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- Cunard Both of the sources you list above are known Chinese propaganda agencies, which hardly count as reliable sources, let alone independent of the subject. - ZLEA T\ C 14:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
-
Comment: Umm!
ZLEA How
The Paper (newspaper) was Chinese propaganda? How do you know? According to ? Pls provide source to support that the media is propaganda. Your opinion clearly based on
WP:IDONTLIKE.
VocalIndia (
talk)
02:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- VocalIndia How about this source (which calls The Paper "state-owned/funded" or similar multiple times) taken straight from The Paper (newspaper)? While the source praises The Paper for being less biased than most Chinese state-owned media, it still makes it clear that the Chinese Communist Party has control over it. Plus, the fact that The Paper (newspaper) is categorized under Category:Chinese propaganda organisations, Category:Chinese Communist Party newspapers, and Category:State media should be a major red flag that it is not reliable. Even New York Times states that it is overseen by the Communist Party.
- I will kindly ask you to retract your claim that my opinion is based on WP:IDONTLIKE. - ZLEA T\ C 03:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Cunards sources are sufficient to meet WP:BASIC. I disagree with the noms argument that the sources are unreliable because they are state run. Firstly, the second source is posted by NetEase, a private company. Secondly, being state run alone does not make them unreliable, there are several state run sources on WP:RSP like Xinhua and China Daily that are perfectly acceptable to use in most non controversial circumstances, and this person is not a controversial subject (and if he was, he would have coverage in Western sources which makes this issue moot) Jumpytoo Talk 03:49, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Biased nomination. The user who nominated it for deletion is not being here to build an encyclopedia. This article meets WP:BASIC and the nomination is clearly based on WP:IDONTLIKE. Satrar ( talk) 13:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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