The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 06:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC) reply

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• Previous AFD > Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Speedy(rapper)

The article was AFD'd in 2005 where it was kept only because it was rewritten....., Anyway Non notable rapper - Fails NMUSIC & GNG – Davey2010 ^Talk 00:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• All of the albums below are unsourced/unsourceable so I'm shoving those here aswell.

Haciendo El Amor Con La Ropa

Dando Cocotazos

Nueva Generación

Mazakote Mixtape: Gold Edition Vol. 1,

– Davey2010 ^Talk 00:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep. As noted in the German Wikipedia article, Speedy's 2005 single " Siéntelo" charted in multiple European countries. A 2005 Billboard article states that Speedy "became an overnight sensation in France". [1] Speedy's album Nueva Generación apparently got a 4-star review from Batanga magazine (although this is available only in a snippet so I'm unable to see the whole review). [2] With due regard for avoidance of systemic linguistic bias, I think this is enough to warrant keeping the article. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 01:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• The 1st source is excellent however I don't believe that's enough to warrant an article here, That source could easily be added to Siéntelo which to me makes more sense then keeping the BLP per it, – Davey2010 ^Talk 02:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

*Keep per above — Diva Knockouts 13:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• See WP:PERABOVE. – Davey2010 ^Talk 13:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep the artist has a single that charted in several countries, making it to the top ten of a few of them. this has a few hits, including an album review (also above). Not to mention hits that could be in Spanish. — Diva Knockouts 14:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• Only 4 books there are of relevance - The first book is of the BLP mentioned once, The second book is the one above (which I believe is excellent), Third is again one mention and the fifth is again by the looks of it a mention (There's a 4th book titled "Reggaeton Musicians: Daddy Yankee, Cuban Link, Pitbull, Do" which is basically everything taken from Wikipedia), My point is the singer's been well ... singing ... since 1998 and after 18 years of being a musician there's nothing source-wise, If this was a 2014 singer then fair enough but it's not, The blp still fails GNG. – Davey2010 ^Talk 15:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC) reply

If the article does not satisfy GNG at all, then perhaps it would be better to just redirect the article to the song? Erick ( talk) 12:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC) reply

I did wonder if redirecting was better but wasn't sure hence the nomination, Perhaps it's best if the article and albums are deleted and then perhaps I or someone redirects the BLP back to the song?, – Davey2010 ^Talk 13:24, 7 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Why not just delete the album and simply redirect this article to the song right away? Wikipedia:Redirects are cheap after all. Erick ( talk) 13:58, 7 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Damn sorry never realized you replied, Because of the keep !votes I can't really do an IAR close, I personally prefer deleting so that it can't be recreated (Anyone can easily undo the redirect secretly & no one would ever know), Thanks, – Davey2010 ^Talk 23:04, 12 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Redirect to Siéntelo, as redirects are cheap. Erick ( talk) 11:02, 9 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• Delete then redirect to " Siéntelo" as its the song that's the international sensation and reasonably notable, not him personally outside of that context. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 16:02, 15 May 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Specifically, I mean merging article content if there's anything found worth salvaging, with this article and it's related history not needing to be deleted per se, just turned into a redirect. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 22:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Redirect to Siéntelo - not enough in-depth coverage on the singer themselves to warrant their own article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep. Frankly, folks, I think you've got it backwards. The albums and other singles might not be notable, but they exist and can not be appropriately placed in the article on the one hit song. Instead, I suggest cleaning-up and keeping the instant page, but merging and redirecting all of the other articles (single and albums) into it. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 19:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• That's the point tho - The songs are notable but the singer isn't, The albums don't have anything worth merging either, – Davey2010 ^Talk 22:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC) reply

I think we agree on the basic fact -- were it not for that one hit single, we wouldn't even be talking about the guy. But given that we are talking about him, what then is the best approach for presenting the material about him and his work? If the song becomes the "central" article, then we lose the fact that the guy recorded several albums, non-notable though they may be. If the musician is the "central" article, we need lose nothing. The article can continue to present a discography and whatever biographical information is available. And a separate section can address the hit song. This strikes me as the better way to consolidate the existing information. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 23:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC) reply

In addition to the reasons I gave for my !vote above, I also agree with NewYorkActuary's point: it is more natural to see this information organized in an article about the artist. And in this connection note that at least one of those albums did get coverage, even if we can't read it on the internet. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 00:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

I see where you're coming from but it's still an unsourced/unsourceable article and still something that should technically be deleted, There's many articles here that have songs but no actual singer article, A navbox could list all songs/alums.... – Davey2010 ^Talk 07:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Just a heads up I've created a navbox ( here which I've added to a few articles so all albums/songs won't be lost. – Davey2010 ^Talk 15:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

I found another substantive review of the Nueva Generación album, from PopMatters [3], and I've added it to the article along with the Billboard article mentioned above. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 14:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Great find but only one review isn't enough to keep the album, That review could actually go in the Sientelo song ?, – Davey2010 ^Talk 15:16, 25 May 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep and consider Merging Siéntelo into this article - I find User:NewYorkActuary's arguments compelling. There is clear notability for the song, but the artist did other things of less note, except that they are a useful addition to facts about the notable song. However, it would be much better, organizationwise, to have all the information under the artist, with WP:DUE weight given to the very notable single. Fieari ( talk) 03:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.