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The result was keep. Consensus for notability, and sources linked show clearly meeting GEOLAND. (non-admin closure) AviationFreak 💬 15:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Article has been flagged as "local" for more than a decade with little improvement. I wasn't able to find anything substantive on Google, though the name may be complicating that search. I would normally suggest merging to Makadara, which is also barely a stub, but the material (e.g. list of hospitals) isn't cited anyway. Matt Deres ( talk) 13:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Kenya. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:16, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Per nominator. DarkHorseMayhem ( talk) 14:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. South B is a legally recognised populated place and so has a presumption of notability under WP:GEOLAND. "South B" has two entries in the Kenyan census of 2019 Vol. II Distribution of Population by Administrative Units, page 239 (download at https://www.knbs.or.ke/publications/). One gives a population of 102,441; the other, a divison of this, gives a population of 34,216. Based on what's written, I believe this article is referring to the smaller place. The article states South B is an estate, when perhaps it should be described as a district or suburb of Nairobi. Not a good idea to merge to Makadara as that article appears to be about a nearby area. Rupples ( talk) 03:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Geoland does not automatically make every un-notable but legally defined location notable. Per nominator.
Chamaemelum (
talk)
04:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Modification to uncertain or weak delete. Sirfurboy and others have convinced me that maybe geoland does indeed automatically make every un-notable but legally defined location notable. Chamaemelum ( talk) 18:52, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. I'd like to hear from more editors who are familiar with WP:GEOLAND.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - I am a little reluctant to pander to what can be an overly broad understanding of GEOLAND, but there is a longstanding consensus that Wikipedia is a Gazetteer, per
WP:GAZ, which is where the GEOLAND guidelines come from. So this location is deemed notable for a page as long as it is a legally recognised populated place, and perhaps even if it is just a named populated place. South B is recognised, and there is plenty of information about it. It gets mentioned frequently in the Kenya Gazette
[1] and here it is in French language press:
[2]. You can see the district bounds on Google Maps, and googling
[3] confirms it is a recognised district. I found various references to it in terms of slum improvement too, e.g.,
[4]. Thus this clearly meets GEOLAND's low bar of recognition. Still, Wikipedia is not indiscriminate, and an often ignored part of GEOLAND is to consider whether this could be merged with a broader article. The appropriate article in this case would be Nairobi, but I think there is a good case that the Nairobi article is large enough and that district articles should thus be child pages. There may be a possibility of a district aggregation article that this could be merged with, but such an article does not exist. Thus, with no appropriate merge target, and also as per Rupples, this is a keep.
Sirfurboy🏄 (
talk)
07:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Okoslavia ( talk) 03:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep It's clear from a couple web searches - once you get past all the real estate listings - that this is a notable Nairobi neighbourhood/place, even if it's not immediately obvious from the article. A novel, a parliamentary discussion all come up quite quickly. SportingFlyer T· C 13:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Consensus for notability, and sources linked show clearly meeting GEOLAND. (non-admin closure) AviationFreak 💬 15:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Article has been flagged as "local" for more than a decade with little improvement. I wasn't able to find anything substantive on Google, though the name may be complicating that search. I would normally suggest merging to Makadara, which is also barely a stub, but the material (e.g. list of hospitals) isn't cited anyway. Matt Deres ( talk) 13:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Kenya. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:16, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Per nominator. DarkHorseMayhem ( talk) 14:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:58, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. South B is a legally recognised populated place and so has a presumption of notability under WP:GEOLAND. "South B" has two entries in the Kenyan census of 2019 Vol. II Distribution of Population by Administrative Units, page 239 (download at https://www.knbs.or.ke/publications/). One gives a population of 102,441; the other, a divison of this, gives a population of 34,216. Based on what's written, I believe this article is referring to the smaller place. The article states South B is an estate, when perhaps it should be described as a district or suburb of Nairobi. Not a good idea to merge to Makadara as that article appears to be about a nearby area. Rupples ( talk) 03:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Geoland does not automatically make every un-notable but legally defined location notable. Per nominator.
Chamaemelum (
talk)
04:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Modification to uncertain or weak delete. Sirfurboy and others have convinced me that maybe geoland does indeed automatically make every un-notable but legally defined location notable. Chamaemelum ( talk) 18:52, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. I'd like to hear from more editors who are familiar with WP:GEOLAND.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - I am a little reluctant to pander to what can be an overly broad understanding of GEOLAND, but there is a longstanding consensus that Wikipedia is a Gazetteer, per
WP:GAZ, which is where the GEOLAND guidelines come from. So this location is deemed notable for a page as long as it is a legally recognised populated place, and perhaps even if it is just a named populated place. South B is recognised, and there is plenty of information about it. It gets mentioned frequently in the Kenya Gazette
[1] and here it is in French language press:
[2]. You can see the district bounds on Google Maps, and googling
[3] confirms it is a recognised district. I found various references to it in terms of slum improvement too, e.g.,
[4]. Thus this clearly meets GEOLAND's low bar of recognition. Still, Wikipedia is not indiscriminate, and an often ignored part of GEOLAND is to consider whether this could be merged with a broader article. The appropriate article in this case would be Nairobi, but I think there is a good case that the Nairobi article is large enough and that district articles should thus be child pages. There may be a possibility of a district aggregation article that this could be merged with, but such an article does not exist. Thus, with no appropriate merge target, and also as per Rupples, this is a keep.
Sirfurboy🏄 (
talk)
07:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Okoslavia ( talk) 03:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep It's clear from a couple web searches - once you get past all the real estate listings - that this is a notable Nairobi neighbourhood/place, even if it's not immediately obvious from the article. A novel, a parliamentary discussion all come up quite quickly. SportingFlyer T· C 13:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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