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The result was no consensus. Mark Arsten ( talk) 01:58, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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Highly promotional and non-notable. It should be noted that both sources are self submitted articles. Sulfurboy ( talk) 06:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- The sources are not self submitted by the artist herself (PROVE IT), the interview with the Guardian Newspaper journalist is in a (NOTABLE) UK newspaper hence the inclusion, also as she is one of the original DJ's of Trade nightclub it was an extremely important and influential gay club in Gay London during the 1990's which also influenced a lot of other gay business's throughout the UK during this time.
- The 'weekender' articles are just profiles of random people in different aspects of life (one day will be a teacher, the next a student, a dog walker, etc.)and, as the note at the bottom of the article would suggest, you must submit the picture and information yourself. Yes, the guardian is a credible source, but I've seen these weekender articles successfully rejected more than once(if another editor could point out an example it'd be appreciated). I'm not sure what you're talking about in the second part of your comment, but it seems as if any suggested notability there would be completely dependent on that nightclub. Sulfurboy ( talk) 07:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- The fact that the concept and artistic output of the TRADE brand nationally and globally influenced and changed the direction of a gay subculture certainly in the UK, the relevance of a page for an original artist performing, working, and influencing creative direction at Trade the club and company was huge. --
Navops47 (
talk)
07:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, but due to rude comments left on my talk page I have no interest in discussing this with you anymore, as I feel I would not be able to stay neutral or remain calm. If other editor's need me to clarify on something specific about this afd, please let me know.
Sulfurboy (
talk)
07:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note to other editors the sources are not self submitted talk states they are self submitted dialogue's by the artist yet he has not provided one single shred evidence to back up this claim.-- Navops47 ( talk) 07:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, but due to rude comments left on my talk page I have no interest in discussing this with you anymore, as I feel I would not be able to stay neutral or remain calm. If other editor's need me to clarify on something specific about this afd, please let me know.
Sulfurboy (
talk)
07:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- The sources are not self submitted by the artist herself (PROVE IT), the interview with the Guardian Newspaper journalist is in a (NOTABLE) UK newspaper hence the inclusion, also as she is one of the original DJ's of Trade nightclub it was an extremely important and influential gay club in Gay London during the 1990's which also influenced a lot of other gay business's throughout the UK during this time.
- Weak delete The Grauniad piece is just the sort of piece that conveys notability for a DJ. It's not solely self-submitted, it has some follow-up and an interview with a journo. However there's only one of them and it's very lightweight. The DJ Mag award might swing it too, but there's no detail in this article or sourcing to support it. The tone of this article is way overboard, "one of the most creative and distinctive" and yet there's nothing to back this up. The world is full of DJs, even ones who get to play Cream or MoS, "none of the DJs was female" is just plain wrong and there's no indication that Smokin Jo really meets the level of encyclopedic notability we need (and yes, that applies to almost all of the minor rappers on WP too).
- I'm prepared to be swung to a keep instead, but this article isn't doing it as yet. Andy Dingley ( talk) 11:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I edited it considerably and found another source, but still not quite convinced she's notable. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 16:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 02:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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- Keep, Although the initial piece was a little thin, I have added her discography, she also worked for BBC Radio 1 for a few years which I think is notable! You do not just get on a national radio station by being one of many average DJ's. Clearly it still needs some work! I have included additional citations -- 111.223.131.168 ( talk) 05:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- Weak Keep based on the barest most minimal evidence of notability. Several cited mentions, but I'd very much like to see secondary coverage that really shows the "significant subject" part of notability. If this comes up for deletion again in the next year without such a strong citation, I'd say delete it then.- Markeer 23:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 01:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
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- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 00:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Mark Arsten ( talk) 01:58, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
- Smokin Jo ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Highly promotional and non-notable. It should be noted that both sources are self submitted articles. Sulfurboy ( talk) 06:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- The sources are not self submitted by the artist herself (PROVE IT), the interview with the Guardian Newspaper journalist is in a (NOTABLE) UK newspaper hence the inclusion, also as she is one of the original DJ's of Trade nightclub it was an extremely important and influential gay club in Gay London during the 1990's which also influenced a lot of other gay business's throughout the UK during this time.
- The 'weekender' articles are just profiles of random people in different aspects of life (one day will be a teacher, the next a student, a dog walker, etc.)and, as the note at the bottom of the article would suggest, you must submit the picture and information yourself. Yes, the guardian is a credible source, but I've seen these weekender articles successfully rejected more than once(if another editor could point out an example it'd be appreciated). I'm not sure what you're talking about in the second part of your comment, but it seems as if any suggested notability there would be completely dependent on that nightclub. Sulfurboy ( talk) 07:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- The fact that the concept and artistic output of the TRADE brand nationally and globally influenced and changed the direction of a gay subculture certainly in the UK, the relevance of a page for an original artist performing, working, and influencing creative direction at Trade the club and company was huge. --
Navops47 (
talk)
07:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, but due to rude comments left on my talk page I have no interest in discussing this with you anymore, as I feel I would not be able to stay neutral or remain calm. If other editor's need me to clarify on something specific about this afd, please let me know.
Sulfurboy (
talk)
07:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note to other editors the sources are not self submitted talk states they are self submitted dialogue's by the artist yet he has not provided one single shred evidence to back up this claim.-- Navops47 ( talk) 07:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, but due to rude comments left on my talk page I have no interest in discussing this with you anymore, as I feel I would not be able to stay neutral or remain calm. If other editor's need me to clarify on something specific about this afd, please let me know.
Sulfurboy (
talk)
07:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- The sources are not self submitted by the artist herself (PROVE IT), the interview with the Guardian Newspaper journalist is in a (NOTABLE) UK newspaper hence the inclusion, also as she is one of the original DJ's of Trade nightclub it was an extremely important and influential gay club in Gay London during the 1990's which also influenced a lot of other gay business's throughout the UK during this time.
- Weak delete The Grauniad piece is just the sort of piece that conveys notability for a DJ. It's not solely self-submitted, it has some follow-up and an interview with a journo. However there's only one of them and it's very lightweight. The DJ Mag award might swing it too, but there's no detail in this article or sourcing to support it. The tone of this article is way overboard, "one of the most creative and distinctive" and yet there's nothing to back this up. The world is full of DJs, even ones who get to play Cream or MoS, "none of the DJs was female" is just plain wrong and there's no indication that Smokin Jo really meets the level of encyclopedic notability we need (and yes, that applies to almost all of the minor rappers on WP too).
- I'm prepared to be swung to a keep instead, but this article isn't doing it as yet. Andy Dingley ( talk) 11:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Comment I edited it considerably and found another source, but still not quite convinced she's notable. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 16:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 02:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000 (talk) 02:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- Keep, Although the initial piece was a little thin, I have added her discography, she also worked for BBC Radio 1 for a few years which I think is notable! You do not just get on a national radio station by being one of many average DJ's. Clearly it still needs some work! I have included additional citations -- 111.223.131.168 ( talk) 05:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- Weak Keep based on the barest most minimal evidence of notability. Several cited mentions, but I'd very much like to see secondary coverage that really shows the "significant subject" part of notability. If this comes up for deletion again in the next year without such a strong citation, I'd say delete it then.- Markeer 23:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 01:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 00:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.