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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). ( Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica 1000 02:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
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I am nominating this article for deletion because the subject has received little to no significant coverage in reliable sources. He only received significant coverage during the time of the Don Jazzy/Wande Coal feud. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. The subject however has been nominated for two notable awards in his country, and happens to meet WP:ANYBIO. I don't believe the ANYBIO criteria is enough to warrant a stand alone article. Versace1608 (Talk) 00:12, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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Keep - This artist is notable because he meets two requirements of WP:ANYBIO. 1.) The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times. WP:MUSICBIO 2.) Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Nigeria Entertainment Awards and The Headies award.-- Nicholas Nde ( talk) 10:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note that
Nicholas Nde is a sock puppet of
User:Coal Press Nation.
Versace1608
(Talk) 18:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Struck !vote above of blocked sock puppet, per WP:SOCKHELP. NorthAmerica 1000 02:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note that
Nicholas Nde is a sock puppet of
User:Coal Press Nation.
Versace1608
(Talk) 18:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Weak KeepKeep: As it stands today, the most popular Nigerian "music only" award ceremony is The Headies (MAMAs, Kora and Channel O are not exclusively Nigerian). Winners of The Headies are mostly chosen based on popularity which makes it to lack some credibility. The Keyword in criteria 8 of WP:MuSICIAN is "major", which could mean excellence, popularity, credibility, etc. It is interesting to note that the guideline does not exclusively define "major" so I don't think we should be adding our interpretation to it. Wikipedia guidelines is just like a Bible, you can not add or subtract to it during a review. Being nominated on 2 different notable award ceremony shows that there is a level of transparency and consistency in his relevance. He does not pass wiki guidelines as a singer but I think he weakly passes as a music producer. I can also add that he has produced songs for many big names in the music industry. Many of the songs he produced even have articles on Wikipedia. Darreg ( talk) 20:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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Darreg: Let's make things clear. Only "Dami Duro", "Skelewu", "Love My Baby", and "Gobe" have Wikipedia pages. 4 is not "many". Shizzi doesn't meet
WP:GNG, the basic requirement that every article is required to meet. He also fails
WP:MUSICBIO. In past discussions, you were told that The Headies and Nigerian Entertainment awards are not major awards. (They are not on the same level as The Grammys or Juno). Jamie Tubers made it clear to us few days ago. Just because he produced the aforementioned songs doesn't mean he's notable. The songs are notable, not him.
Versace1608
(Talk) 20:53, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Our interpretation of criteria 8 is not relevant here, what matters is what was written in WP:MUSICBIO, it is also stated in WP:MUSICBIO that NOT all notable articles must meet WP:GNG. I agree that it does not meet WP:GNG but it meets WP:MUSICBIO. The Headies and NEA Producer of the Year nomination is NOT a small feat at all. It is also worthy to note that the 4 songs were major hits all over Nigeria in terms of airplay and awards won.
Darreg (
talk) 21:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO states: A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria. May is the keyword in this sentence. May doesn't mean certainty. Although the word "major" is subjective, the eighth criteria makes it clear as to what is considered a "major" award. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. I believe that the "such as" phrase in the previous sentence specifically states the types of awards that are considered "major". Again, this can be argued. In my opinion, the only criteria Shizzi meets is the WP:ANYBIO criteria. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. Versace1608 (Talk) 21:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Our interpretation of criteria 8 is not relevant here, what matters is what was written in WP:MUSICBIO, it is also stated in WP:MUSICBIO that NOT all notable articles must meet WP:GNG. I agree that it does not meet WP:GNG but it meets WP:MUSICBIO. The Headies and NEA Producer of the Year nomination is NOT a small feat at all. It is also worthy to note that the 4 songs were major hits all over Nigeria in terms of airplay and awards won.
Darreg (
talk) 21:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- @
Darreg: Let's make things clear. Only "Dami Duro", "Skelewu", "Love My Baby", and "Gobe" have Wikipedia pages. 4 is not "many". Shizzi doesn't meet
WP:GNG, the basic requirement that every article is required to meet. He also fails
WP:MUSICBIO. In past discussions, you were told that The Headies and Nigerian Entertainment awards are not major awards. (They are not on the same level as The Grammys or Juno). Jamie Tubers made it clear to us few days ago. Just because he produced the aforementioned songs doesn't mean he's notable. The songs are notable, not him.
Versace1608
(Talk) 20:53, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Comment:To tell you the truth, I don't know this producer, but for him to have produced all these major hits(more than one hit), it speaks notability. If he was nominated just once, it would have been a different thing (He was nominated twice for 2 different notable awards). It's just like a movie director that has directed 4 major award winning films, whether or not he passes GNG or not will no longer matter cuz he already passed WP:FILMS. Darreg ( talk) 22:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). ( Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica 1000 02:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- Shizzi ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
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I am nominating this article for deletion because the subject has received little to no significant coverage in reliable sources. He only received significant coverage during the time of the Don Jazzy/Wande Coal feud. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. The subject however has been nominated for two notable awards in his country, and happens to meet WP:ANYBIO. I don't believe the ANYBIO criteria is enough to warrant a stand alone article. Versace1608 (Talk) 00:12, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep - This artist is notable because he meets two requirements of WP:ANYBIO. 1.) The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times. WP:MUSICBIO 2.) Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Nigeria Entertainment Awards and The Headies award.-- Nicholas Nde ( talk) 10:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note that
Nicholas Nde is a sock puppet of
User:Coal Press Nation.
Versace1608
(Talk) 18:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Struck !vote above of blocked sock puppet, per WP:SOCKHELP. NorthAmerica 1000 02:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note that
Nicholas Nde is a sock puppet of
User:Coal Press Nation.
Versace1608
(Talk) 18:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Weak KeepKeep: As it stands today, the most popular Nigerian "music only" award ceremony is The Headies (MAMAs, Kora and Channel O are not exclusively Nigerian). Winners of The Headies are mostly chosen based on popularity which makes it to lack some credibility. The Keyword in criteria 8 of WP:MuSICIAN is "major", which could mean excellence, popularity, credibility, etc. It is interesting to note that the guideline does not exclusively define "major" so I don't think we should be adding our interpretation to it. Wikipedia guidelines is just like a Bible, you can not add or subtract to it during a review. Being nominated on 2 different notable award ceremony shows that there is a level of transparency and consistency in his relevance. He does not pass wiki guidelines as a singer but I think he weakly passes as a music producer. I can also add that he has produced songs for many big names in the music industry. Many of the songs he produced even have articles on Wikipedia. Darreg ( talk) 20:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- @
Darreg: Let's make things clear. Only "Dami Duro", "Skelewu", "Love My Baby", and "Gobe" have Wikipedia pages. 4 is not "many". Shizzi doesn't meet
WP:GNG, the basic requirement that every article is required to meet. He also fails
WP:MUSICBIO. In past discussions, you were told that The Headies and Nigerian Entertainment awards are not major awards. (They are not on the same level as The Grammys or Juno). Jamie Tubers made it clear to us few days ago. Just because he produced the aforementioned songs doesn't mean he's notable. The songs are notable, not him.
Versace1608
(Talk) 20:53, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Our interpretation of criteria 8 is not relevant here, what matters is what was written in WP:MUSICBIO, it is also stated in WP:MUSICBIO that NOT all notable articles must meet WP:GNG. I agree that it does not meet WP:GNG but it meets WP:MUSICBIO. The Headies and NEA Producer of the Year nomination is NOT a small feat at all. It is also worthy to note that the 4 songs were major hits all over Nigeria in terms of airplay and awards won.
Darreg (
talk) 21:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- MUSICBIO states: A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria. May is the keyword in this sentence. May doesn't mean certainty. Although the word "major" is subjective, the eighth criteria makes it clear as to what is considered a "major" award. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. I believe that the "such as" phrase in the previous sentence specifically states the types of awards that are considered "major". Again, this can be argued. In my opinion, the only criteria Shizzi meets is the WP:ANYBIO criteria. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. Versace1608 (Talk) 21:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- Our interpretation of criteria 8 is not relevant here, what matters is what was written in WP:MUSICBIO, it is also stated in WP:MUSICBIO that NOT all notable articles must meet WP:GNG. I agree that it does not meet WP:GNG but it meets WP:MUSICBIO. The Headies and NEA Producer of the Year nomination is NOT a small feat at all. It is also worthy to note that the 4 songs were major hits all over Nigeria in terms of airplay and awards won.
Darreg (
talk) 21:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- @
Darreg: Let's make things clear. Only "Dami Duro", "Skelewu", "Love My Baby", and "Gobe" have Wikipedia pages. 4 is not "many". Shizzi doesn't meet
WP:GNG, the basic requirement that every article is required to meet. He also fails
WP:MUSICBIO. In past discussions, you were told that The Headies and Nigerian Entertainment awards are not major awards. (They are not on the same level as The Grammys or Juno). Jamie Tubers made it clear to us few days ago. Just because he produced the aforementioned songs doesn't mean he's notable. The songs are notable, not him.
Versace1608
(Talk) 20:53, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Comment:To tell you the truth, I don't know this producer, but for him to have produced all these major hits(more than one hit), it speaks notability. If he was nominated just once, it would have been a different thing (He was nominated twice for 2 different notable awards). It's just like a movie director that has directed 4 major award winning films, whether or not he passes GNG or not will no longer matter cuz he already passed WP:FILMS. Darreg ( talk) 22:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione Message 12:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 00:34, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.