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The result was delete. Ignoring socks, clear consensus to delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Shiyas Kareem

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Deprodded without rationale, and very little improvement. Might be a case of WP:TOOSOON, but currently doesn't meet either WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Also, written in a highly promotional tone. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:26, 1 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:27, 1 November 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete Agree with User:onel5969's assessment regarding WP:NOTPROMOTION — Preceding unsigned comment added by LikeMeercats ( talk • contribs) 17:26, 1 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 22:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 22:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete per nom - TOOSOON at present, Fails NACTOR & GNG. – Davey2010 ^Talk 15:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC) reply
• Delete per nom Spiderone 09:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep satisfy WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Has independent sources from The Times of India, Deccan Chronicle, Malayala Manorama. He has also a cult following in social media platforms, they are known by the name "Shiyas Army". 137.97.79.204 ( talk) 06:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC) comment - SPA IP with only 4 edits, only here and on the subject article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep the article already has a reference and significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, i agree that the article surely need some improvements. satisfy WP:NACTOR as he represented a country in World level competition, participated in popular television reality show and become the finalist as second runner-up, acted in movies and short films etc. ( Hbinu ( talk) 11:23, 5 November 2018 (UTC) ) Struck per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hbinu. – Athaenara ✉ 04:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep he is popular in kerala and middle east countries ( 37.245.239.159 ( talk) 11:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)) reply
• Comment The 137.97.79.204 and 37.245.239.159 users both edits are only on this page related. Could be a sockpuppet situation, I will tag all the people who participated to see. @ CAPTAIN RAJU: @ Onel5969: @ Davey2010: @ Spiderone: @ LikeMeercats:. Also the first delete which was not signed was by LikeMeercats as seen in the edit history. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 13:30, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Comment - I agree about the possible socking. I opened a sockpuppet investigation. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:33, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Agreed and thanks Onel5969 for starting an SPI, My spidey senses tell me this is all one editor so yeah thanks for doing that. – Davey2010 ^Talk 13:56, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Comment: there's a handy tag for those, Template:Single-purpose account. – Athaenara ✉ 06:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep The article was edited by some random user that made the article to appear in promotional light. Being the creator of this page, I have made the necessary deletion and corrections with proper references, and I believe that this should be sufficient to keep the article factually relevant. ( Emissaryj ( talk) 14:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emissary j ( talk • contribs) reply

• Delete or redirect to Bigg Boss Malayalam. Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. At most, this is WP:BLP1E, but finished 3rd so there is no lasting notability from this. Ravensfire ( talk) 20:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep The article has been further updated with recent events(with references) that has happened in Shiyas Kareem's television career. ( Emissaryj ( talk) 06:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emissary j ( talk • contribs) reply

You have already voted Keep, so to avoid confusion I have struck out your previous Keep. GSS ( talk| c| em) 06:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete per nom and fails NACTOR and GNG, I redirected this page to Bigg Boss Malayalam per WP:ATD-R as I found it non-notable by WP standard but it was removed by the creator so I'm afraid this will continue. GSS ( talk| c| em) 06:50, 6 November 2018 (UTC) reply

• Comment: The redirect to Bigg Boss Malayalam would only result in a trivial mention of Shiyas Kareem in the article. This article is dedicated to the individual and includes his career and other achievements which would not be available on the page Bigg Boss Malayalam.( Emissaryj ( talk) 14:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emissary j ( talk • contribs) reply

Can you specifically show how this person meets WP:NACTOR? Not just saying they meet it, but going point by point and giving specific examples of how they meet each point please. Ravensfire ( talk) 16:47, 8 November 2018 (UTC) reply

The article includes references that satisfies WP:NACTOR as per the following points;

1. The career section covers his filmography and his participation in television shows (Satisfies condition number 1 in WP:NACTOR).

2. The 'External links' section includes a link to his fan page which signifies that he has a large fan base (Satisfies condition number 2 in WP:NACTOR).

3. His participation and achievements at the Mr. Grand Sea World competition in 2018 shows that he has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment (Satisfies condition number 3 in WP:NACTOR). Emissary j( Emissaryj ( talk) 05:04, 9 November 2018 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emissary j ( talk • contribs) reply

1. Sources fail to show significant roles in multiple shows. Minor parts don't cut it. Fails Criteria 1.

2. Linking to a fan club is not a way to show significant fan base - you need multiple reliable sources from WP:SECONDARY sources. Fails criteria 2.

3. Competing at a show is not unique, prolific or innovative, especially when they don't even win.

So sorry, no way is WP:NACTOR met or even close to being met. Ravensfire ( talk) 14:16, 9 November 2018 (UTC) reply

1. Having entered the show Bigg Boss Malayalam on the 14th day, he went on to reach the final. This represents that he had a significant role in the 100-day show. He is a model who has recently started acting in movies, so his acting roles might not have been significant enough to satisfy WP:NACTOR, but his significant presence in the television show Bigg Boss Malayalam does satisfy WP:ENTERTAINER.

2. Under the list of references, the reference number 9 is an article that describes the fan following Shiyas Kareem has. The article is in Malayalam. I am not sure if you would be comfortable trusting an auto-translated article, but for verification you can cross-check with an admin who has proficiency in reading Malayalam. This should satisfy WP:CELEBRITY.

3. Competing at a show might not be unique, but representing a nation at an annual international event can be considered unique, particularly if you are the first person from the state of Kerala to do so. This should be enough to satisfy WP:NMODEL, along with references that cite that he has been a professional model since 2010. Emissary j( Emissaryj ( talk) 07:21, 10 November 2018 (UTC) ) reply

Re:#2 – Malayalilife.com doesn't seem to be a reliable source to me. GSS ( talk| c| em) 07:43, 10 November 2018 (UTC) reply

@ GSS Malayalilife.com is a website that primarily focuses on entertainment and lifestyle news of the people of Kerala. Most of the sources that are usually considered reliable might not cover every event that happens in the state. Being a regional news, Malayalilife has covered the events that occurred(mentioned through reference 9 in the article), which the other major sources such as Malayala Manorama, Mathrubhumi, Times of India, The Week etc. might have not been able to furnish in their articles. Emissary j( Emissaryj ( talk) 08:51, 10 November 2018 (UTC) ) reply

• Delete based on notability concerns and history of sockpuppetry. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC) reply

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