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The result was delete. It's up to editors whether to create a redirect, opinion is divided about this. But consensus is clearly not to keep this. I'm ignoring BOZ's pure vote as usual. Sandstein 10:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Seawolf (Dungeons & Dragons)
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Very minor, non-notable fictional creature. There are only a handful of primary sources being used. Searching for sources brings up plenty of results on the many other topics with the same name. However, the D&D version has nothing in reliable, secondary sources, meaning its a clear failure of the WP:GNG. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep or merge to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters per WP:PRESERVE and WP:ATD. BOZ ( talk) 16:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:GAMEGUIDE - Wikipedia is not a game guide and this has no notability outside of the game. Fails WP:GNG. I don't think WP:PRESERVE nor WP:ATD apply as this cannot be improved. It already faithfully describes much of what the game guides tell us, but the problem is that this is not notable beyond that. -- Sirfurboy ( talk) 17:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters. ★Trekker ( talk) 20:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters, which is what is becoming fairly standard for these DnD noms. I don't think many of these need to actually make it to AfD, making a WP:CHEAP redirect is usually enough. Only a few of the DnD monsters (the ones that have entered popular imagination) are notable. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 22:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - The issue is that there is a pattern where D&D articles that are simply redirected/merged, even if that was the result of consensus at a previous discussion, are restored by anonymous IPs later, forcing us to go through the whole procedure again. Deleting the article first, even if a Redirect is then created after, prevents this from occurring. Rorshacma ( talk) 00:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect. Deleting and then redirecting would be best. This fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 12:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters Chetsford ( talk) 21:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Minor monstercruft. Does not appear notable enough even to merit any sort of redirect. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 12:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. It's up to editors whether to create a redirect, opinion is divided about this. But consensus is clearly not to keep this. I'm ignoring BOZ's pure vote as usual. Sandstein 10:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Seawolf (Dungeons & Dragons)
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Very minor, non-notable fictional creature. There are only a handful of primary sources being used. Searching for sources brings up plenty of results on the many other topics with the same name. However, the D&D version has nothing in reliable, secondary sources, meaning its a clear failure of the WP:GNG. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. ミラ P 16:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Keep or merge to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters per WP:PRESERVE and WP:ATD. BOZ ( talk) 16:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - WP:GAMEGUIDE - Wikipedia is not a game guide and this has no notability outside of the game. Fails WP:GNG. I don't think WP:PRESERVE nor WP:ATD apply as this cannot be improved. It already faithfully describes much of what the game guides tell us, but the problem is that this is not notable beyond that. -- Sirfurboy ( talk) 17:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters. ★Trekker ( talk) 20:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters, which is what is becoming fairly standard for these DnD noms. I don't think many of these need to actually make it to AfD, making a WP:CHEAP redirect is usually enough. Only a few of the DnD monsters (the ones that have entered popular imagination) are notable. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 22:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - The issue is that there is a pattern where D&D articles that are simply redirected/merged, even if that was the result of consensus at a previous discussion, are restored by anonymous IPs later, forcing us to go through the whole procedure again. Deleting the article first, even if a Redirect is then created after, prevents this from occurring. Rorshacma ( talk) 00:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect. Deleting and then redirecting would be best. This fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 12:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters Chetsford ( talk) 21:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Minor monstercruft. Does not appear notable enough even to merit any sort of redirect. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 12:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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