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The result was Draftify.. Consensus seems to be that this version of the article is superior to the current draft version. Liz Read! Talk! 01:53, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Sean D Cleary
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WP:BLP of a person notable only as an as yet unelected candidate in a future election. As always, candidates for political office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates -- the notability bar for politicians is holding a notable political office, not just running for one, while candidates get articles only if they already have preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy. But this claims nothing of the sort, and is referenced merely to the standard and
run of the mill campaign coverage in the local media that every candidate in every election always receives as a matter of course, which is not sufficient to claim that he would pass
WP:GNG in lieu of having to pass
WP:NPOL.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation after election day if he wins the seat, but nothing here is sufficient grounds for him to already have an article today.
Bearcat (
talk)
20:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and North Dakota. Bearcat ( talk) 20:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify: Not notable at the moment, as he fails WP:NPOL and appears to fail WP:GNG. As usual with nominees running in competitive districts, draftification is a good ATD so that we can quickly pull it back to main if he becomes notable by winning. Curbon7 ( talk) 19:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify per Curbon7. Currently fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG, but content can be easily restored to mainspace if/when he wins the general election in November. Sal2100 ( talk) 18:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I had closed this as Draftify but Draft:Sean D Cleary exists. History merge? Other?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Draft already exists and is nearly identical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrigadierG ( talk • contribs) 01:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify and overwrite current draft, or history merge if that's too unorthodox (alas I'm not familiar with how hist merges work). Check out the difference between draft and mainspace page [1]; the mainspace version has more, including potentially valuable refs. Ovinus ( talk) 02:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Expanded the article some. Cleary has received more than run of the mill coverage in the all of the largest newspaper and television outlets in ND, and that coverage has been picked up by national outfits. This hits WP:N's significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Juno ( talk) 02:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- No sources present in the article are demonstrating that Cleary's coverage is out of the ordinary in volume, depth or geographic range compared to other non-winning candidates.
Bearcat (
talk)
05:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Generally, people who are candidates for the state legislature but have only won the primaries aren't kept, while members of the legislature are kept. That's what WP:NPOL says, I think, and what WP:POLOUTCOMES suggests. To get around this general principle we'd need much stronger national-level sourcing, that discusses the subject in depth. The nice thing about draftification, though, is that if/once this candidate wins they'll likely be notable and so the article can be published quickly. Ovinus ( talk) 05:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- No sources present in the article are demonstrating that Cleary's coverage is out of the ordinary in volume, depth or geographic range compared to other non-winning candidates.
Bearcat (
talk)
05:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify and overwrite current draft. Djflem ( talk) 05:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete In general, we do not want Wikipedia to be the repository of campaign material of non-notable candidates (see WP:POLOUTCOMES and WP:Articles for deletion/Siân Gwenllian). -- Enos733 ( talk) 03:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Draftify.. Consensus seems to be that this version of the article is superior to the current draft version. Liz Read! Talk! 01:53, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Sean D Cleary
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- Sean D Cleary ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
WP:BLP of a person notable only as an as yet unelected candidate in a future election. As always, candidates for political office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates -- the notability bar for politicians is holding a notable political office, not just running for one, while candidates get articles only if they already have preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy. But this claims nothing of the sort, and is referenced merely to the standard and
run of the mill campaign coverage in the local media that every candidate in every election always receives as a matter of course, which is not sufficient to claim that he would pass
WP:GNG in lieu of having to pass
WP:NPOL.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation after election day if he wins the seat, but nothing here is sufficient grounds for him to already have an article today.
Bearcat (
talk)
20:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and North Dakota. Bearcat ( talk) 20:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify: Not notable at the moment, as he fails WP:NPOL and appears to fail WP:GNG. As usual with nominees running in competitive districts, draftification is a good ATD so that we can quickly pull it back to main if he becomes notable by winning. Curbon7 ( talk) 19:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify per Curbon7. Currently fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG, but content can be easily restored to mainspace if/when he wins the general election in November. Sal2100 ( talk) 18:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I had closed this as Draftify but Draft:Sean D Cleary exists. History merge? Other?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Draft already exists and is nearly identical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrigadierG ( talk • contribs) 01:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify and overwrite current draft, or history merge if that's too unorthodox (alas I'm not familiar with how hist merges work). Check out the difference between draft and mainspace page [1]; the mainspace version has more, including potentially valuable refs. Ovinus ( talk) 02:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Expanded the article some. Cleary has received more than run of the mill coverage in the all of the largest newspaper and television outlets in ND, and that coverage has been picked up by national outfits. This hits WP:N's significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Juno ( talk) 02:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- No sources present in the article are demonstrating that Cleary's coverage is out of the ordinary in volume, depth or geographic range compared to other non-winning candidates.
Bearcat (
talk)
05:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Generally, people who are candidates for the state legislature but have only won the primaries aren't kept, while members of the legislature are kept. That's what WP:NPOL says, I think, and what WP:POLOUTCOMES suggests. To get around this general principle we'd need much stronger national-level sourcing, that discusses the subject in depth. The nice thing about draftification, though, is that if/once this candidate wins they'll likely be notable and so the article can be published quickly. Ovinus ( talk) 05:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- No sources present in the article are demonstrating that Cleary's coverage is out of the ordinary in volume, depth or geographic range compared to other non-winning candidates.
Bearcat (
talk)
05:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify and overwrite current draft. Djflem ( talk) 05:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete In general, we do not want Wikipedia to be the repository of campaign material of non-notable candidates (see WP:POLOUTCOMES and WP:Articles for deletion/Siân Gwenllian). -- Enos733 ( talk) 03:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.