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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 18:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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Almost entirely unsourced. The only source is an interview with the subject. The article is also in a promotional tone, with words such as He likes reading and swimming and wishes he had more time for both.
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'''[[ User:CanonNi]]'''( talk| contribs) 07:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism and India. Shellwood ( talk) 08:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Delete. No sources on the page and not much online to even establish notability. The journalist is not worthy of notice who has significant, interesting, or unusual achievement enough to deserve attention or to be recorded.RangersRus ( talk) 12:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Changing my vote to keep after DavidIndia's edits with sources and cleanups. The sources help fulfill the notability gap. Shashi Kumar was the earliest Newscasters in English on national television and founded and launched Asianet, India’s first satellite TV channel in a regional language (Malayalam), and the country’s first statewide cable TV network in Kerala.
RangersRus (
talk)
15:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- As per official Asianet and AsianetNews, the founder of Asianet TV Conglomerale is Dr. Raji Menon (Sashi Kumar's uncle), Asianet was fully funded and promoted by Dr. Menon. Sashi Kumar worked in Asianet and had some swept equity received as a gift from his uncle (information from Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia pages). As per Google information, something happened between them, Dr. Menon fired his nephew from Asianet and Sashi Kumar started defaming his uncle in media and telling that he was the founder of Asianet, using media resources affiliated with his College of Journalism. This is my understanding of situation. (have checked the list of references and removed few that didn't substantiated claims made in the article).
Frezig (
talk)
16:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Votes are given after examining sources. Do you have reliable sources for me to look at?
RangersRus (
talk)
11:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Some of them:
- In the year 2000, Dr. Raji Menon was presented the award of “Man of the Year" by the Government of Kerala, as the founder of Asianet “for contribution to the growth of Kerala and IT “. https://malayalam.oneindia.com/news/2001/03/29/biz-award.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E_CkEd8OEw
- "Times of India" article https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/bpls-rajiv-buys-asianet/articleshow/223227.cms
- The story how Asianet was born and about conflict between Dr.Menon and Sashi Kumar (article from “Mathrubhumi Weekly”, September 28 — October 4, 2008) https://archive.org/details/a-russian-malayalis-asian-experiments . You can see the translation into English here : https://medium.com/@rama_nair/a-russian-malayalis-asian-experiments-44966388015d
- Asianet Archive: https://archive.org/details/beginning-of-asianet-tv-channel
-
Frezig (
talk)
13:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The idea behind Asianet was Sashi Kumar's and when it came to finance, his uncle Raji Menon stepped in and became his partner. They both invested 5 Lakh each to start the channel Asianet. The channel became successful and then the tension started on stakes. Shashi Kumar sold his stake and stepped out after 10 years on Asianet. This is all in source.
[1]. This is all notable work because the idea was his and he continued with other notable work after stepping down.
RangersRus (
talk)
14:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The author of the article is an acquaintance of Sashi Kumar and his family and her opinion is invariably biased. [2] All these fakes ( 10 lakhs to start a channel , when the transponder Ekran cost 4.5 million dollars etc those days ) about Sashi Kumar are evidently untrue . There are dependable resources with different information:
- Idea of channel came from PTI General Manager Mr. P. Unnikrishnan [3] [4] [5] [6]
- 100% of finances including hiring the transponder in Moscow, buying studio at Trivandrum ect. was fully funded by Dr. Menon. [7] [8] Frezig ( talk) 16:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The idea behind Asianet was Sashi Kumar's and when it came to finance, his uncle Raji Menon stepped in and became his partner. They both invested 5 Lakh each to start the channel Asianet. The channel became successful and then the tension started on stakes. Shashi Kumar sold his stake and stepped out after 10 years on Asianet. This is all in source.
[1]. This is all notable work because the idea was his and he continued with other notable work after stepping down.
RangersRus (
talk)
14:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Some of them:
- Votes are given after examining sources. Do you have reliable sources for me to look at?
RangersRus (
talk)
11:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please pay attention! Today there were attempts to vandalise Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia articles by adding there info about Sashi Kumar without references. Frezig ( talk) 10:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- As per official Asianet and AsianetNews, the founder of Asianet TV Conglomerale is Dr. Raji Menon (Sashi Kumar's uncle), Asianet was fully funded and promoted by Dr. Menon. Sashi Kumar worked in Asianet and had some swept equity received as a gift from his uncle (information from Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia pages). As per Google information, something happened between them, Dr. Menon fired his nephew from Asianet and Sashi Kumar started defaming his uncle in media and telling that he was the founder of Asianet, using media resources affiliated with his College of Journalism. This is my understanding of situation. (have checked the list of references and removed few that didn't substantiated claims made in the article).
Frezig (
talk)
16:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Have added sources and cleaned up a bit. A bit more cleaning may help keep the article as the subject fulfills notability, being the first private founder of a satellite TV, chairman of Asian College of Journalism, which is quite popular and also with his enormouis reporting and articles for many decades. Editors may consider keeping it. Thanks and regards! Davidindia ( talk) 20:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Cleaned a lot of unsourced information still the journalist does not have enough coverage online to establish notability or nothing worthy of notice. A lot of references don't show enough coverage of the journalist.
Harrysigma (
talk)
15:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with Harrysigma. But Frezig raised an important side of the subject. Will go with the decision of the editors who will take a final call on the AfD. thanks! Davidindia ( talk) 07:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Further sources: [9] [10] [11] Fwiw, several hits in this book: [12] Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Looks like self promoted article. Also today were attempts to vandalise Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia articles by adding there info about Sashi Kumar without references. Frezig ( talk) 12:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There are more than enough sources which give in depth coverage to establish the notability of the person according to WP:NBIO. MrMkG ( talk) 13:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: He is the director of Kaya Taran which won the Aravindan Puraskaram award and thus this subject passes WP:DIRECTOR. He has also acted in many different movies. - SUN EYE 1 16:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 23:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 18:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Sashi Kumar ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Almost entirely unsourced. The only source is an interview with the subject. The article is also in a promotional tone, with words such as He likes reading and swimming and wishes he had more time for both.
. '''[[
User:CanonNi]]''' (
talk|
contribs)
07:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.
'''[[ User:CanonNi]]'''( talk| contribs) 07:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism and India. Shellwood ( talk) 08:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Kerala. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete. No sources on the page and not much online to even establish notability. The journalist is not worthy of notice who has significant, interesting, or unusual achievement enough to deserve attention or to be recorded.RangersRus ( talk) 12:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Changing my vote to keep after DavidIndia's edits with sources and cleanups. The sources help fulfill the notability gap. Shashi Kumar was the earliest Newscasters in English on national television and founded and launched Asianet, India’s first satellite TV channel in a regional language (Malayalam), and the country’s first statewide cable TV network in Kerala.
RangersRus (
talk)
15:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- As per official Asianet and AsianetNews, the founder of Asianet TV Conglomerale is Dr. Raji Menon (Sashi Kumar's uncle), Asianet was fully funded and promoted by Dr. Menon. Sashi Kumar worked in Asianet and had some swept equity received as a gift from his uncle (information from Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia pages). As per Google information, something happened between them, Dr. Menon fired his nephew from Asianet and Sashi Kumar started defaming his uncle in media and telling that he was the founder of Asianet, using media resources affiliated with his College of Journalism. This is my understanding of situation. (have checked the list of references and removed few that didn't substantiated claims made in the article).
Frezig (
talk)
16:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Votes are given after examining sources. Do you have reliable sources for me to look at?
RangersRus (
talk)
11:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Some of them:
- In the year 2000, Dr. Raji Menon was presented the award of “Man of the Year" by the Government of Kerala, as the founder of Asianet “for contribution to the growth of Kerala and IT “. https://malayalam.oneindia.com/news/2001/03/29/biz-award.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E_CkEd8OEw
- "Times of India" article https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/bpls-rajiv-buys-asianet/articleshow/223227.cms
- The story how Asianet was born and about conflict between Dr.Menon and Sashi Kumar (article from “Mathrubhumi Weekly”, September 28 — October 4, 2008) https://archive.org/details/a-russian-malayalis-asian-experiments . You can see the translation into English here : https://medium.com/@rama_nair/a-russian-malayalis-asian-experiments-44966388015d
- Asianet Archive: https://archive.org/details/beginning-of-asianet-tv-channel
-
Frezig (
talk)
13:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The idea behind Asianet was Sashi Kumar's and when it came to finance, his uncle Raji Menon stepped in and became his partner. They both invested 5 Lakh each to start the channel Asianet. The channel became successful and then the tension started on stakes. Shashi Kumar sold his stake and stepped out after 10 years on Asianet. This is all in source.
[1]. This is all notable work because the idea was his and he continued with other notable work after stepping down.
RangersRus (
talk)
14:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The author of the article is an acquaintance of Sashi Kumar and his family and her opinion is invariably biased. [2] All these fakes ( 10 lakhs to start a channel , when the transponder Ekran cost 4.5 million dollars etc those days ) about Sashi Kumar are evidently untrue . There are dependable resources with different information:
- Idea of channel came from PTI General Manager Mr. P. Unnikrishnan [3] [4] [5] [6]
- 100% of finances including hiring the transponder in Moscow, buying studio at Trivandrum ect. was fully funded by Dr. Menon. [7] [8] Frezig ( talk) 16:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The idea behind Asianet was Sashi Kumar's and when it came to finance, his uncle Raji Menon stepped in and became his partner. They both invested 5 Lakh each to start the channel Asianet. The channel became successful and then the tension started on stakes. Shashi Kumar sold his stake and stepped out after 10 years on Asianet. This is all in source.
[1]. This is all notable work because the idea was his and he continued with other notable work after stepping down.
RangersRus (
talk)
14:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Some of them:
- Votes are given after examining sources. Do you have reliable sources for me to look at?
RangersRus (
talk)
11:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please pay attention! Today there were attempts to vandalise Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia articles by adding there info about Sashi Kumar without references. Frezig ( talk) 10:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- As per official Asianet and AsianetNews, the founder of Asianet TV Conglomerale is Dr. Raji Menon (Sashi Kumar's uncle), Asianet was fully funded and promoted by Dr. Menon. Sashi Kumar worked in Asianet and had some swept equity received as a gift from his uncle (information from Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia pages). As per Google information, something happened between them, Dr. Menon fired his nephew from Asianet and Sashi Kumar started defaming his uncle in media and telling that he was the founder of Asianet, using media resources affiliated with his College of Journalism. This is my understanding of situation. (have checked the list of references and removed few that didn't substantiated claims made in the article).
Frezig (
talk)
16:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Have added sources and cleaned up a bit. A bit more cleaning may help keep the article as the subject fulfills notability, being the first private founder of a satellite TV, chairman of Asian College of Journalism, which is quite popular and also with his enormouis reporting and articles for many decades. Editors may consider keeping it. Thanks and regards! Davidindia ( talk) 20:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Cleaned a lot of unsourced information still the journalist does not have enough coverage online to establish notability or nothing worthy of notice. A lot of references don't show enough coverage of the journalist.
Harrysigma (
talk)
15:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with Harrysigma. But Frezig raised an important side of the subject. Will go with the decision of the editors who will take a final call on the AfD. thanks! Davidindia ( talk) 07:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Further sources: [9] [10] [11] Fwiw, several hits in this book: [12] Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Looks like self promoted article. Also today were attempts to vandalise Asianet and Asianet News Wikipedia articles by adding there info about Sashi Kumar without references. Frezig ( talk) 12:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There are more than enough sources which give in depth coverage to establish the notability of the person according to WP:NBIO. MrMkG ( talk) 13:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: He is the director of Kaya Taran which won the Aravindan Puraskaram award and thus this subject passes WP:DIRECTOR. He has also acted in many different movies. - SUN EYE 1 16:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 23:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.