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The result was keep. Mojo Hand ( talk) 15:57, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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Non notable singer who doesn’t satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER nor does she satisfy WP:GNG as a before search shows she lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of her most google hits are on unreliable sources such as blogs, self published sources and cites without editorial oversight. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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Most reliable newspapers in Botswana have been migrating their websites and have not successfully managed to move their previous articles which in turn will make most of Wikipedia articles of Botswana to be deleted, I have been accessing the archives and trying as much to keep the articles relevant as possible. For Example The Voice (Botswana) moved their new site to a subdomain https://news.thevoicebw.com instead of using their main domain and made it non indexable. You mentioned that blogs where used to reference but I would like to disagree with that as Botswana media has slightly grown even though the websites used for referencing might not be worth adding to Wikipedia at the moment they are relevant to the local community. Those that have been added to Wikipedia there is nothing much to them also--> The Voice (Botswana), Mmegi, The Botswana Gazette, Yarona FM, Ministry of Transport and Communications (Botswana), Slumber Tsogwane, Botswana Guardian. DownTownRich ( talk) 16:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- How does listing Botswanan sources which do not discuss the subject of our discussion help establish his notability? Celestina007 ( talk) 17:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as has significant coverage in national newspapers such as Mmegi referenced in the article, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 00:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - This appears to be the source @ Atlantic306 seems to be referring to, although isn’t a bad source I am unconvinced SIGCOV is satisfied. Furthermore Just 1 seemingly good source isn’t enough to satisfy WP:GNG. I can’t seem to find WP:3REFS good refs which discusses our subject with in-depth significant coverage as required by GNG, which is the threshold at the moment. Let us also not forget the subject is a singer and doesn’t satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER. Perhaps a case of WP:TOOSOON? Celestina007 ( talk) 01:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- This is a better article from that source here. There is a case for being lenient with this one as Botswana singers are seriously under represented on Wikipedia with just four articles as far as I can tell from the category and if this one goes we will be down to three, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:31, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per DownTownRich's newspaper argument.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 05:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per Atlantic306, Sources in some African countries are relatively poor or low. We should consider that as well. Lord Grandwell ( talk) 09:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Mojo Hand ( talk) 15:57, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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Non notable singer who doesn’t satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER nor does she satisfy WP:GNG as a before search shows she lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of her most google hits are on unreliable sources such as blogs, self published sources and cites without editorial oversight. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Most reliable newspapers in Botswana have been migrating their websites and have not successfully managed to move their previous articles which in turn will make most of Wikipedia articles of Botswana to be deleted, I have been accessing the archives and trying as much to keep the articles relevant as possible. For Example The Voice (Botswana) moved their new site to a subdomain https://news.thevoicebw.com instead of using their main domain and made it non indexable. You mentioned that blogs where used to reference but I would like to disagree with that as Botswana media has slightly grown even though the websites used for referencing might not be worth adding to Wikipedia at the moment they are relevant to the local community. Those that have been added to Wikipedia there is nothing much to them also--> The Voice (Botswana), Mmegi, The Botswana Gazette, Yarona FM, Ministry of Transport and Communications (Botswana), Slumber Tsogwane, Botswana Guardian. DownTownRich ( talk) 16:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- How does listing Botswanan sources which do not discuss the subject of our discussion help establish his notability? Celestina007 ( talk) 17:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as has significant coverage in national newspapers such as Mmegi referenced in the article, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 00:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - This appears to be the source @ Atlantic306 seems to be referring to, although isn’t a bad source I am unconvinced SIGCOV is satisfied. Furthermore Just 1 seemingly good source isn’t enough to satisfy WP:GNG. I can’t seem to find WP:3REFS good refs which discusses our subject with in-depth significant coverage as required by GNG, which is the threshold at the moment. Let us also not forget the subject is a singer and doesn’t satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER. Perhaps a case of WP:TOOSOON? Celestina007 ( talk) 01:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- This is a better article from that source here. There is a case for being lenient with this one as Botswana singers are seriously under represented on Wikipedia with just four articles as far as I can tell from the category and if this one goes we will be down to three, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 00:31, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per DownTownRich's newspaper argument.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 05:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per Atlantic306, Sources in some African countries are relatively poor or low. We should consider that as well. Lord Grandwell ( talk) 09:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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