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The result was Speedy keep - nomination withdrawn per improvements and WP:HEY. WP:SNOW says the rest as well. -- Mdann 52 talk to me! 14:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Sanjay Gupta (businessman)
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Appears to be
non-notable. Although they have recieved some coverage, it isn't up to the level of
WP:GNG. A Google search, both on .com and .co.in reveal nothing much that appears to help show notability. --
Mdann
52
talk to me! 07:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC) withdrawn --
Mdann
52
talk to me!
- Keep He has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple independent sources per WP:BASIC. In addition to the several references already in the aticle suchas Business Standard and Indian Express, see, e.g., The Hindu Businessline and Economic Times. 24.151.10.165 ( talk) 15:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Like sports players and actors and actresses, business people get mentioned in news articles with great frequency, which seems to skew the impression of notability. We need a clear(er) policy on what makes a business person notable. It is the job of business papers and magazines to report on these people, just like it is the job of movie mags to fill their pages with mentions of every actor they can find. Usually the articles are short and rather light-weight. It's not that people doing these jobs are more notable, it's that we pay more attention to them. I'd like to see criteria that would help us determine what makes a business and a business person notable that goes beyond this kinds of routine reporting.
LaMona (
talk) 17:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- Reply to @
LaMona: We don't have any policy or guideline on what determines notability of a certain kind of people, except for professors. The criteria listed in
WP:BIO are inclusive criterias, not exclusive ones. In other words, a person who meets one of the additional citeria in
WP:BIO may probably qualify an article, and he may still qualify one if he fails any of the additional citeria but he has sufficient media coverage. (I have seen some people mistake additional citeria as exclusive citeria, maybe you are one of them.) There was a time when we made guidelines on what makes a certain kind of people notable, based on their fame or success. (See
this version of
WP:BIO.) But it is no longer the case since we have
WP:GNG.
- Moving forward, your argument that business people get mentioned in news articles with great frequency is not supported by evidence. (Actually, we only have 3424 pages in this category. (Category:American_businesspeople))Even if it's true, it just means business people are inherently more notable than other topics. From time to time, we delete articles of large shopping malls or major streets. (See
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Shopping malls/archive) Although they are of importance in a way, they don't belong to wikipedia for few reliable sources cover them. The same logic applies to bussiness people. Some of them are not that important, but they can still be included in wikipedia once major national media begins to cover them.
- But anyway, being a CEO of a major company does qualify WP:ANYBIO.-- 180.172.239.231 ( talk) 05:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Moving forward, your argument that business people get mentioned in news articles with great frequency is not supported by evidence. (Actually, we only have 3424 pages in this category. (Category:American_businesspeople))Even if it's true, it just means business people are inherently more notable than other topics. From time to time, we delete articles of large shopping malls or major streets. (See
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Shopping malls/archive) Although they are of importance in a way, they don't belong to wikipedia for few reliable sources cover them. The same logic applies to bussiness people. Some of them are not that important, but they can still be included in wikipedia once major national media begins to cover them.
- Reply to @
LaMona: We don't have any policy or guideline on what determines notability of a certain kind of people, except for professors. The criteria listed in
WP:BIO are inclusive criterias, not exclusive ones. In other words, a person who meets one of the additional citeria in
WP:BIO may probably qualify an article, and he may still qualify one if he fails any of the additional citeria but he has sufficient media coverage. (I have seen some people mistake additional citeria as exclusive citeria, maybe you are one of them.) There was a time when we made guidelines on what makes a certain kind of people notable, based on their fame or success. (See
this version of
WP:BIO.) But it is no longer the case since we have
WP:GNG.
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- Keep - At a very lower level it meets the general notability guideline. References from Indian Express and above mentioned by @ 24.151.10.165: is third party reliable references. CutestPenguin ( Talk) 09:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep CEO of what is apparently a major company (we need an article on the company also, I think). DGG ( talk ) 01:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Certainly meets WP:GNG.-- 180.172.239.231 ( talk) 04:06, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, evidently written about (sometimes in depth) in multiple reliable news sources. I'm not entirely sure what has happened since last week, it seems to have been 'cleaned-up' and several other sources (and key info) removed. To be honest this article wasn't an easy one to monitor because of the issues COI editor, but that's not a reason for deletion either. Sionk ( talk) 09:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete In the history, the major contributor is named Sanjayrgupta48. So it could possibly be an autobiography. Romtam TalkToMe 13:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)Note: He's blocked. The lastest entry in his log block is "16:38, August 25, 2014 Nick (talk | contribs) blocked Sanjayrgupta48 (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Spam / advertising-only account: username block, not Sanjay Gupta, self admitted paid SEO staff)" Romtam TalkToMe 13:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, article cleaned up already. Didn't notice that before. Romtam TalkToMe 13:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- @
Romtam: I was about to drop a message
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CutestPenguin (
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- @
Romtam: I was about to drop a message
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The result was Speedy keep - nomination withdrawn per improvements and WP:HEY. WP:SNOW says the rest as well. -- Mdann 52 talk to me! 14:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Sanjay Gupta (businessman)
- Sanjay Gupta (businessman) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Appears to be
non-notable. Although they have recieved some coverage, it isn't up to the level of
WP:GNG. A Google search, both on .com and .co.in reveal nothing much that appears to help show notability. --
Mdann
52
talk to me! 07:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC) withdrawn --
Mdann
52
talk to me!
- Keep He has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple independent sources per WP:BASIC. In addition to the several references already in the aticle suchas Business Standard and Indian Express, see, e.g., The Hindu Businessline and Economic Times. 24.151.10.165 ( talk) 15:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Like sports players and actors and actresses, business people get mentioned in news articles with great frequency, which seems to skew the impression of notability. We need a clear(er) policy on what makes a business person notable. It is the job of business papers and magazines to report on these people, just like it is the job of movie mags to fill their pages with mentions of every actor they can find. Usually the articles are short and rather light-weight. It's not that people doing these jobs are more notable, it's that we pay more attention to them. I'd like to see criteria that would help us determine what makes a business and a business person notable that goes beyond this kinds of routine reporting.
LaMona (
talk) 17:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- Reply to @
LaMona: We don't have any policy or guideline on what determines notability of a certain kind of people, except for professors. The criteria listed in
WP:BIO are inclusive criterias, not exclusive ones. In other words, a person who meets one of the additional citeria in
WP:BIO may probably qualify an article, and he may still qualify one if he fails any of the additional citeria but he has sufficient media coverage. (I have seen some people mistake additional citeria as exclusive citeria, maybe you are one of them.) There was a time when we made guidelines on what makes a certain kind of people notable, based on their fame or success. (See
this version of
WP:BIO.) But it is no longer the case since we have
WP:GNG.
- Moving forward, your argument that business people get mentioned in news articles with great frequency is not supported by evidence. (Actually, we only have 3424 pages in this category. (Category:American_businesspeople))Even if it's true, it just means business people are inherently more notable than other topics. From time to time, we delete articles of large shopping malls or major streets. (See
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Shopping malls/archive) Although they are of importance in a way, they don't belong to wikipedia for few reliable sources cover them. The same logic applies to bussiness people. Some of them are not that important, but they can still be included in wikipedia once major national media begins to cover them.
- But anyway, being a CEO of a major company does qualify WP:ANYBIO.-- 180.172.239.231 ( talk) 05:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Moving forward, your argument that business people get mentioned in news articles with great frequency is not supported by evidence. (Actually, we only have 3424 pages in this category. (Category:American_businesspeople))Even if it's true, it just means business people are inherently more notable than other topics. From time to time, we delete articles of large shopping malls or major streets. (See
Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Shopping malls/archive) Although they are of importance in a way, they don't belong to wikipedia for few reliable sources cover them. The same logic applies to bussiness people. Some of them are not that important, but they can still be included in wikipedia once major national media begins to cover them.
- Reply to @
LaMona: We don't have any policy or guideline on what determines notability of a certain kind of people, except for professors. The criteria listed in
WP:BIO are inclusive criterias, not exclusive ones. In other words, a person who meets one of the additional citeria in
WP:BIO may probably qualify an article, and he may still qualify one if he fails any of the additional citeria but he has sufficient media coverage. (I have seen some people mistake additional citeria as exclusive citeria, maybe you are one of them.) There was a time when we made guidelines on what makes a certain kind of people notable, based on their fame or success. (See
this version of
WP:BIO.) But it is no longer the case since we have
WP:GNG.
- Note: This debate has been included in the
list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.
Ascii002
Talk
Contribs 02:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the
list of India-related deletion discussions.
Ascii002
Talk
Contribs 02:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - At a very lower level it meets the general notability guideline. References from Indian Express and above mentioned by @ 24.151.10.165: is third party reliable references. CutestPenguin ( Talk) 09:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep CEO of what is apparently a major company (we need an article on the company also, I think). DGG ( talk ) 01:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Certainly meets WP:GNG.-- 180.172.239.231 ( talk) 04:06, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, evidently written about (sometimes in depth) in multiple reliable news sources. I'm not entirely sure what has happened since last week, it seems to have been 'cleaned-up' and several other sources (and key info) removed. To be honest this article wasn't an easy one to monitor because of the issues COI editor, but that's not a reason for deletion either. Sionk ( talk) 09:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Delete In the history, the major contributor is named Sanjayrgupta48. So it could possibly be an autobiography. Romtam TalkToMe 13:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)Note: He's blocked. The lastest entry in his log block is "16:38, August 25, 2014 Nick (talk | contribs) blocked Sanjayrgupta48 (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Spam / advertising-only account: username block, not Sanjay Gupta, self admitted paid SEO staff)" Romtam TalkToMe 13:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, article cleaned up already. Didn't notice that before. Romtam TalkToMe 13:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
- @
Romtam: I was about to drop a message
.
CutestPenguin (
Talk)
- @
Romtam: I was about to drop a message
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