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The result was delete. The last post, from User:Cbs527, carries conviction IMO. Bishonen | talk 22:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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No indication from article that she passes any of the notability guidelines for musicians. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:30, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
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- Comment A finding of notability reflects conditions external to a Wikipedia article (though information in the article, including references, can help by directing Wikipedians to those conditions). See WP:BEFORE, particularly part D, about looking outside the article before initiating a deletion discussion. Largoplazo ( talk) 04:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete Translation problem. No
WP:RS in English listed. No way to determine reliability of the Serbo-Croation language articles cited as references. The info links at the top of the page, show nothing. Unfortunately, there is no Serbo-Croation Wikipedia.
Tapered (
talk) 03:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Like, y'know, sh:Sandra Afrika? No such user ( talk) 16:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep precisely because we have adequate foreign-language sources; a native speaker can check in more detail, or we can try Google translate, but the content and sourcing appear to meet GNG for musicians. Montanabw (talk) 08:35, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- If only Serbo-Croatian sources are used, how are they vetted for reliability? BTW, for whatever reason, the translation icon in Chrome doesn't appear for these articles.
Tapered (
talk) 09:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- I remembered that besides the missing icon in the search line, I could also use the translation webpage. NONE of the articles from the search tools are more than fan titillation or gossip. Same for the 'references' in the article. The most titillating discusses her silicone implants. Sorry, there are no reliable source hidden gems about SA. Tapered ( talk) 09:50, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- If only Serbo-Croatian sources are used, how are they vetted for reliability? BTW, for whatever reason, the translation icon in Chrome doesn't appear for these articles.
Tapered (
talk) 09:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Well, yes, the subject is a
turbo-folk singer, to quote
sh:Sandra Afrika,
She is considered to be one of most provocative contemporary singers, because at she beginning of her career she exposed her butt much more than her voice capabilities
. Trashy singers tend to be covered in trashy sources, but Wikipedia does not cover only the subjects we like. No such user ( talk) 16:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- That's a well written opinion...which means nothing @ Wikipedia. Please read WP:N AND WP:RS to understand the criteria for inclusion. Tapered ( talk) 02:21, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- Per WP:QS "Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable. In particular, a wikilink is not a reliable source." CBS527 Talk 02:59, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep. There's no requirement that sources be in English. She's mentioned as an example of a turbo-folk star in Hip Hop at Europe's Edge, and there seems to be no shortage of sources in Serbian (although they do seem to look like tabloids). Pburka ( talk) 21:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - the GNG has been met. I've pointed out WP:NEXIST to the nominator before & I've been ignored. Oh well. Exemplo347 ( talk) 21:54, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Here are two translations of articles about Sandra. The first is a highly ranked 'reference' from the "google news" tab. The second is an article reference. Proof this article belongs in 'the dustbin of history." Please direct readers to substantive dedicated articles. Please!!! Tapered ( talk) 04:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
- The bomb Sandra showed perfect backdrop 06. 03. 2017 to 22: 44h
- Although Sandra always present for one of the hottest singer of the local music scene, Sandra has always emphasized that it is up to the perfect lines arrived thanks napronim training.- Do not hold a child and all the dishes, even sweets. When I get to the gym, everything wears out - she was once Sandra, a recently published photo from the gym, where its rounded buttocks in the foreground. In less than five hours, the photo has received nearly 20,000 likes and Sandra countless compliments
- Repeat: Sandra new silicones give 1,200 euros ?!
- Singer Sandra Prodanovic, alias Sandra, has silicones chest of a teenager, and although it has only 27 years, but the time has come for their overhaul. Pretty Falkirk it was allegedly already done and for new implants gave 1,200 euros. "Sandra was a few years ago installed silicones and intervention has been more than successful. However, a few months ago she decided to replace old implants quality. Consult your doctor and soon went under the knife, and after being with him and went to the first operation, was given a special discount, so the new silicone paid only 1,200 euros. After the operation she had to cancel all the stalls and at rest in a home environment to avoid complications. All this is complied with, and when she recovered, she continued to work at full capacity, "says a source close to the singer and continues: "New lush breasts promoted on the set of one New Year's TV program, when many of the singer commented that good and hard, and asked them to recommend with your surgeon. Since it is now all right, Sandra next five years will not have to change the implants, "ends the source and transmits Stars. Sandra has not confirmed this information, since it was not answering the phone, as well as her manager, with whom he had a relationship until recently, was also unavailable.
- Delete. NOT TABLOID. "mentioned as an example of a turbo-folk star" mentioned. mentions and gossip do not make notability. DGG ( talk ) 03:33, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - Non-notable subject. Fails WP:NMUSIC, WP:Basic and WP:GNG. Article lacks significant coverage in published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. G-searches in both English and Serbian are turning up nothing to establish notability. The sources in the subject's (Сандра Африка) Serbian Wikipedia article are no help either as some are the same as this article or are PR related.
- Current source is article:
- 1. Article is about her breast implants. (hardly notable)
- 2. O Meni (which means "about me")- Subject's web site. Primary source - Per WP:Basic "Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject."
- 3. Poznati.info -Trivial mention from a web site that says it's "a site you can read interesting facts about the lives of celebrities"
- 4. Detozin - Article isn't about her at all. It's about the packaging of products.
- If someone can produce some sources that meet our requirements for notability I could be persuaded to reconsider my !vote but so far no one has and I have been unable to find any. CBS527 Talk 03:44, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. The last post, from User:Cbs527, carries conviction IMO. Bishonen | talk 22:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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No indication from article that she passes any of the notability guidelines for musicians. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:30, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. 14:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- Comment A finding of notability reflects conditions external to a Wikipedia article (though information in the article, including references, can help by directing Wikipedians to those conditions). See WP:BEFORE, particularly part D, about looking outside the article before initiating a deletion discussion. Largoplazo ( talk) 04:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 11:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:00, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:00, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Translation problem. No
WP:RS in English listed. No way to determine reliability of the Serbo-Croation language articles cited as references. The info links at the top of the page, show nothing. Unfortunately, there is no Serbo-Croation Wikipedia.
Tapered (
talk) 03:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Like, y'know, sh:Sandra Afrika? No such user ( talk) 16:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep precisely because we have adequate foreign-language sources; a native speaker can check in more detail, or we can try Google translate, but the content and sourcing appear to meet GNG for musicians. Montanabw (talk) 08:35, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- If only Serbo-Croatian sources are used, how are they vetted for reliability? BTW, for whatever reason, the translation icon in Chrome doesn't appear for these articles.
Tapered (
talk) 09:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- I remembered that besides the missing icon in the search line, I could also use the translation webpage. NONE of the articles from the search tools are more than fan titillation or gossip. Same for the 'references' in the article. The most titillating discusses her silicone implants. Sorry, there are no reliable source hidden gems about SA. Tapered ( talk) 09:50, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- If only Serbo-Croatian sources are used, how are they vetted for reliability? BTW, for whatever reason, the translation icon in Chrome doesn't appear for these articles.
Tapered (
talk) 09:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Well, yes, the subject is a
turbo-folk singer, to quote
sh:Sandra Afrika,
She is considered to be one of most provocative contemporary singers, because at she beginning of her career she exposed her butt much more than her voice capabilities
. Trashy singers tend to be covered in trashy sources, but Wikipedia does not cover only the subjects we like. No such user ( talk) 16:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
- That's a well written opinion...which means nothing @ Wikipedia. Please read WP:N AND WP:RS to understand the criteria for inclusion. Tapered ( talk) 02:21, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- Per WP:QS "Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable. In particular, a wikilink is not a reliable source." CBS527 Talk 02:59, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:47, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:47, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. There's no requirement that sources be in English. She's mentioned as an example of a turbo-folk star in Hip Hop at Europe's Edge, and there seems to be no shortage of sources in Serbian (although they do seem to look like tabloids). Pburka ( talk) 21:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - the GNG has been met. I've pointed out WP:NEXIST to the nominator before & I've been ignored. Oh well. Exemplo347 ( talk) 21:54, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Here are two translations of articles about Sandra. The first is a highly ranked 'reference' from the "google news" tab. The second is an article reference. Proof this article belongs in 'the dustbin of history." Please direct readers to substantive dedicated articles. Please!!! Tapered ( talk) 04:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
- The bomb Sandra showed perfect backdrop 06. 03. 2017 to 22: 44h
- Although Sandra always present for one of the hottest singer of the local music scene, Sandra has always emphasized that it is up to the perfect lines arrived thanks napronim training.- Do not hold a child and all the dishes, even sweets. When I get to the gym, everything wears out - she was once Sandra, a recently published photo from the gym, where its rounded buttocks in the foreground. In less than five hours, the photo has received nearly 20,000 likes and Sandra countless compliments
- Repeat: Sandra new silicones give 1,200 euros ?!
- Singer Sandra Prodanovic, alias Sandra, has silicones chest of a teenager, and although it has only 27 years, but the time has come for their overhaul. Pretty Falkirk it was allegedly already done and for new implants gave 1,200 euros. "Sandra was a few years ago installed silicones and intervention has been more than successful. However, a few months ago she decided to replace old implants quality. Consult your doctor and soon went under the knife, and after being with him and went to the first operation, was given a special discount, so the new silicone paid only 1,200 euros. After the operation she had to cancel all the stalls and at rest in a home environment to avoid complications. All this is complied with, and when she recovered, she continued to work at full capacity, "says a source close to the singer and continues: "New lush breasts promoted on the set of one New Year's TV program, when many of the singer commented that good and hard, and asked them to recommend with your surgeon. Since it is now all right, Sandra next five years will not have to change the implants, "ends the source and transmits Stars. Sandra has not confirmed this information, since it was not answering the phone, as well as her manager, with whom he had a relationship until recently, was also unavailable.
- Delete. NOT TABLOID. "mentioned as an example of a turbo-folk star" mentioned. mentions and gossip do not make notability. DGG ( talk ) 03:33, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - Non-notable subject. Fails WP:NMUSIC, WP:Basic and WP:GNG. Article lacks significant coverage in published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. G-searches in both English and Serbian are turning up nothing to establish notability. The sources in the subject's (Сандра Африка) Serbian Wikipedia article are no help either as some are the same as this article or are PR related.
- Current source is article:
- 1. Article is about her breast implants. (hardly notable)
- 2. O Meni (which means "about me")- Subject's web site. Primary source - Per WP:Basic "Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject."
- 3. Poznati.info -Trivial mention from a web site that says it's "a site you can read interesting facts about the lives of celebrities"
- 4. Detozin - Article isn't about her at all. It's about the packaging of products.
- If someone can produce some sources that meet our requirements for notability I could be persuaded to reconsider my !vote but so far no one has and I have been unable to find any. CBS527 Talk 03:44, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.