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The result was keep. Discussion about a potential renaming of the article, splitting it, etc. as suggested herein can continue on the article's talk page if desired. North America 1000 06:20, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Said Al Nasr
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Currently still questionable for any applicable notability such as WP:EVENT, WP:CRIME, WP:BIO1E and WP:GNG, my searches are finding several news sources at Books, News and browsers. At best, this could be restarted as an article for the event itself perhaps but, as that may also be questionable, this may be best also moved to an article circling the series of such events itself. There are two inbound links, Silco incident and List of terrorist incidents, 1980, and although this could've been redirected to the latter, I nominated because this is still questionable for solid independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:29, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Very Weak DeleteKeep - as per note to me (below) from E.M.Gregory, seems to meet our GNG.There seem to be some sources in books I can't access. I'm hesitant to see articles of this type deleted, however.BlueSalix ( talk) 03:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- User:BlueSalix, I suspect that you ran into the problem of transliteration, I have added two alternate transliterations of perp's name, plus a number of reliable sources. Sources are myriad but mostly in archives since while this was a major international news story, the murder - and hence the coverage - occurred in 1980 and the murderer was released (swapped) in 1981. Interested in your opinion on moving to a page about the incident. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete. I don't see any substantial coverage.Keep. I agree that after rework the article is worth keeping. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- User:Arthistorian1977, please revisit, new sourcing and rename proposal. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Strong Keep and rename: 1980 Antwerp summer camp attack, or something to that effect, but rename for incident, not perpetrator. The attack on Jewish children and families waiting for a summer camp bus, 1 child killed, several adults and children seriously injured, was notable. I am now sourcing, rewriting article to make it a page on a terrorist attack on a group of children and their families who were visibly Jewish and waiting in formt of a large, Jewish institution by an identified member of a terrorist group who targeted them because of their identity. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:16, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note also that this incident (not the attacker, the incident) is notable because 1.) it was
Abu Nidal; 2.) it was one of a series of notable anti-Semitic attacks in the early 1980s such as the
1981 Vienna synagogue attack, 3.) the attacker was swapped in exchange for the hostages taken in the
Silco incident.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 15:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- See, for example, this [1] google books search on "Abu Nidal" + Antwerp + 1980. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. There is a strong case to have an article on the incident, due to the wide coverage and the connection with the later Silco prisoner/hostage exchange. There is also a case to have an article on the attacker as well, for the same reason. While WP:ONEEVENT might apply if the coverage was limited to the original attack, the Silco trade is an additional reason to have an article on the attacker.
Mattflaschen -
Talk 17:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- There are sufficient reliable sources, though you may need to search under multiple transliterations, or phrasing that does not include the attacker's name. E.g. I found Belgian hostages freed from Middle East by searching on Silco and Libya (originally in a paywalled source, but it turns out to be available for free too). Mattflaschen - Talk 17:38, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Happy to undertake to split/write as 2 articles, on on the terrorist, the second on the attack, if that is the consensus here. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 12:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Discussion about a potential renaming of the article, splitting it, etc. as suggested herein can continue on the article's talk page if desired. North America 1000 06:20, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Said Al Nasr
- Said Al Nasr ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Currently still questionable for any applicable notability such as WP:EVENT, WP:CRIME, WP:BIO1E and WP:GNG, my searches are finding several news sources at Books, News and browsers. At best, this could be restarted as an article for the event itself perhaps but, as that may also be questionable, this may be best also moved to an article circling the series of such events itself. There are two inbound links, Silco incident and List of terrorist incidents, 1980, and although this could've been redirected to the latter, I nominated because this is still questionable for solid independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:29, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 07:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 07:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 07:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Very Weak DeleteKeep - as per note to me (below) from E.M.Gregory, seems to meet our GNG.There seem to be some sources in books I can't access. I'm hesitant to see articles of this type deleted, however.BlueSalix ( talk) 03:50, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
- User:BlueSalix, I suspect that you ran into the problem of transliteration, I have added two alternate transliterations of perp's name, plus a number of reliable sources. Sources are myriad but mostly in archives since while this was a major international news story, the murder - and hence the coverage - occurred in 1980 and the murderer was released (swapped) in 1981. Interested in your opinion on moving to a page about the incident. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:05, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Delete. I don't see any substantial coverage.Keep. I agree that after rework the article is worth keeping. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- User:Arthistorian1977, please revisit, new sourcing and rename proposal. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Strong Keep and rename: 1980 Antwerp summer camp attack, or something to that effect, but rename for incident, not perpetrator. The attack on Jewish children and families waiting for a summer camp bus, 1 child killed, several adults and children seriously injured, was notable. I am now sourcing, rewriting article to make it a page on a terrorist attack on a group of children and their families who were visibly Jewish and waiting in formt of a large, Jewish institution by an identified member of a terrorist group who targeted them because of their identity. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:16, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note also that this incident (not the attacker, the incident) is notable because 1.) it was
Abu Nidal; 2.) it was one of a series of notable anti-Semitic attacks in the early 1980s such as the
1981 Vienna synagogue attack, 3.) the attacker was swapped in exchange for the hostages taken in the
Silco incident.
E.M.Gregory (
talk) 15:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- See, for example, this [1] google books search on "Abu Nidal" + Antwerp + 1980. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. There is a strong case to have an article on the incident, due to the wide coverage and the connection with the later Silco prisoner/hostage exchange. There is also a case to have an article on the attacker as well, for the same reason. While WP:ONEEVENT might apply if the coverage was limited to the original attack, the Silco trade is an additional reason to have an article on the attacker.
Mattflaschen -
Talk 17:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- There are sufficient reliable sources, though you may need to search under multiple transliterations, or phrasing that does not include the attacker's name. E.g. I found Belgian hostages freed from Middle East by searching on Silco and Libya (originally in a paywalled source, but it turns out to be available for free too). Mattflaschen - Talk 17:38, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Happy to undertake to split/write as 2 articles, on on the terrorist, the second on the attack, if that is the consensus here. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 12:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.