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The result was keep. The balance of both votes and arguments favors keep. signed, Rosguill talk 20:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Safoora Zargar
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Non-notable BLP DTM ( talk) 05:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. DTM ( talk) 05:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep - mainstream media across the world seem to think she is notable. Here are three examples of in depth coverage of her:
- Singh, Valay (26 April 2020), "India: Charged with anti-terror law, pregnant woman sent to jail", Al Jazeera
- Pandey, Geeta (12 May 2020), "India Coronavirus: Pregnant student Safoora Zargar at risk in jail", BBC
- "Amnesty slams India over 'ruthless' arrest of pregnant activist", The Express Tribune, 3 May 2020
- Keep The subject has received indepth coverage in national and international media and thus even per WP:1E, worthy of having a stand alone article. Toddy1 has provided some sources above, if time permits, I would do copy editing and improve it more. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 06:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- In 1E, it says that, However, "if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified". The coverage is definitely very much.- Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 06:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The person in the article is notable. Agreed with the above two wikipedians views, I also voted to Keep this article. This person is highly covered by mainstream media whether National (Indian) or International. You can easily check all the references in the reference list of Safoora Zargar
- Delete most of content isn't cited with reliable source, a very few sources are cited with indepent or reliable websites, I think the subject isn't notable enough (yet) to be here as per WP:GNG ; many part of this article have no any refrance seems editor's interest e.g the first para. of controversy section where the editor mentioned porn actress, her allegations and all that, also for her husband a very few result are showing and however it is clear, the subject covered a few media coverage on internet but not notable (yet), Thanks. Sturdyankit (chat) 12:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry but. Sources like Al Jazeera, BBC etc ain't non notable. On the Wikipedia, nothing is complete and nothing belongs to any single editor. If creating editor does a mistake, other users rectify it and this is how Wikipedia works. The national and international reliable independent media coverage passes WP:SIGCOV and so, WP:GNG. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 12:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am the creator of this article, I am a newbie too. I did it with the limited knowledge. The Wikipedia community editor are here to support every new editor to work on Wikipedia by following all the rules and regulations. I might be make mistake. But this article is so much notable and Al Jazeera and BBC is enough to define it's notability. However, there are 100+ articles on the same person available online—covered by National as well as International media. I am a new user and have too low contribution till now. Hope minor mistakes should be fixed by other editors which will encourage me to improve my future contribution. Thank You. - TheChunky ( talk) 13:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable activist. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Would you like to expand your vote? How is the subject not notable of having WP when they have received significant coverage in reliable national and international media including BBC, Al-Jazeera, Gulf News etc. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 21:33, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable Activist. Doing protest against Government decisions is not enough to justify Notability. Being a student and protests what else she did? Fails WP:GNG. DMySon 11:25, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Would you like to address the issues of national and international coverage? Which clearly passes WP:GNG. How doing protests against government is not notable? How protests ain't notable? - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 11:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as meets WP:GNG-- Irshadpp ( talk) 12:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The subject is notable for her role in anti-CAA protests and has received national and international coverage, passes the criterias of WP:GNG. Since, there's role in anti-CAA protests, I agree with AaqibAnjum on this, it passes WP:1E and thus stand alone article is justified.— Hammad (Talk!) 13:45, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Delete No indication of notability. A student who wants fame under Citizenship Amendment Act protests. Fails WP:GNG, Fails WP:SIGCOV. Numan765 ( talk) 09:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- How do you say it fails SIGCOV and GNG when there's national and international coverage including BBC and Al Jazeera. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 09:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - an alternative option could be renaming something like the Arrest of Kafeel Khan article. Also, I disagree with Numan765's view of the subject's attention-seeking approach. She was thrown behind the bars when the CAA issue as well as the protests took a backseat. -- Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 19:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
*Deleteagree with @
Numan765 and @
DMySon Dear, @
AaqibAnjum few months back, a lot of protesters rise against indian gov and they also covered by medias but sarfoora's issue become a bit voilent here in india because she was behind the bar with her pregnancy so covered by international media BBC and all that(as you said) but this doesnt make the subject notable, the protest surely is notable enough and already have a article I recommend an alternative of delete is to merge this subject with it_https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen_Bagh_protests. as you know, a whole community of students from
Jamia Millia Islamia participated in this protest some were Zainul Abidin, Mehroneesha , Abidin Hussain etc_they all protestors and they too covered by reliable medias as
The Times of India,
ABP News,
Aaj Tak,
Business Standard,
the telegraph etc but this doesnt make them notable (yet) okay, now come to your point,
BBC and
Al Jazeera, kindly visit once again they focus on these all things reletated to that protest as brutality, the hunger strike and her pregnancy etc providing a topic of her along with many other scholars of JMI were arrested as Meeran Haider, a research scholar and member of the Jamia Coordination Committee, Shifa-Ur-Rehman, president of the Jamia Millia Islamia Alumni Association, Gulfisha, an MBA student, and Ishrat Jahan, a former municipal councillor, for participating in anti-CAA protests and they too covered by medias including
BBC and also Safoora was charged with a murder of 50+ person in SaheenBaag look, if the protest create such type of violence then all medias have to cover it and hence Geeta pandey a indian journlist wrote this article to BBC, but these all dont make any sense of an article for her. Thanks
Sturdyankit
(chat) 04:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I already voted Keep. And the things some other editors are telling. The non notable things like she did protest, she was student of JMI. Yes if the thing was limited to these two then it would be non notable. But the actual things are
- CAA protests ends too earlier
- International media covered a pregnant lady arrested by Police at the time of Coronavirus Lockdown
- There were arrest of many students, but Safoora Zargar is covered separately by International as well as National media because of many reasons (numbers of references added not 1 or 2, there are more than 50 International and National media.)
- Huge separate coverage for a person can make it notable.
- TheChunky ( talk) 08:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ TheChunky okay, but I deny your claims, 1. Yup, CAA protest ends on March. 24th and subject arrested on April.10th,as you already know for arresting any one there's a process and in this case 1k+ protesters are there against Indian gov so, with following their rule they arrested her on April.10,_ 2. During lockdown in india the subject got viral with some bullyings, fake or real pics and intimated videos and this issue brings subject in lime light and make her a social media sensation but getting viral doesn't make anyone notable, 3. Yup alot of protesters were arrested and some were killed but due to sensation all medias gave a topic of her but also mentioned other protesters and they had main focus was to explaing the protest with the help of these protesters, as you see at Citizenship Amendment Act protests/Reactions, major countries as United Nations, Pakistani, Malaysia, Kuwait, Europe etc comment on this protest, the subject is only a local protesters having no notablity as of others(1k) and as you said approx. 50 international medias covered this issue I totally deny it only 3 or 4 international medias cover this issue (they cover the protest along with some protesters not any news independently covers her),_4. Visit once the 5th point of WP:GNG and also WP:ARTN there clearly mentioned, significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article,it's totally clear the subject fails in notablity. Sturdyankit (chat) 11:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I already voted Keep. And the things some other editors are telling. The non notable things like she did protest, she was student of JMI. Yes if the thing was limited to these two then it would be non notable. But the actual things are
- Keep All kinds of news coverage by international media, in-depth references. The subject is definitely notable!!! Ngrewal1 ( talk) 16:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Delete As per nomination by User:Sturdyankit. KST981 ( talk) 09:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Just a situational correction, this DR was started by User:DiplomatTesterMan.-- Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 09:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete BLP1E got only coverage during protests fails WP:GNG, and WP:ANYBIO. 2405:201:E801:1770:E5AF:8D88:EE67:A66F ( talk) 11:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ 2405:201:E801:1770:E5AF:8D88:EE67:A66F: clearly you have a User ID on Wikipedia, but chose to make this comment whilst logged out. What is your User ID?-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, per WP:BIO1E. Stifle ( talk) 14:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep but Rename to Arrest of Safoora Zargar to satisfy BLP1E. The event is notable, since it has received significant coverage over quite a long period of time, but the person at the centre of it is probably not. I am noting a lot of, shall we say politicised arguments brought up by Keep voters. Also User:Sturdyankit, you may only vote once, I have stricken your second Delete vote for you. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 22:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The balance of both votes and arguments favors keep. signed, Rosguill talk 20:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Safoora Zargar
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Non-notable BLP DTM ( talk) 05:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. DTM ( talk) 05:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. DTM ( talk) 05:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - mainstream media across the world seem to think she is notable. Here are three examples of in depth coverage of her:
- Singh, Valay (26 April 2020), "India: Charged with anti-terror law, pregnant woman sent to jail", Al Jazeera
- Pandey, Geeta (12 May 2020), "India Coronavirus: Pregnant student Safoora Zargar at risk in jail", BBC
- "Amnesty slams India over 'ruthless' arrest of pregnant activist", The Express Tribune, 3 May 2020
- Keep The subject has received indepth coverage in national and international media and thus even per WP:1E, worthy of having a stand alone article. Toddy1 has provided some sources above, if time permits, I would do copy editing and improve it more. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 06:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- In 1E, it says that, However, "if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified". The coverage is definitely very much.- Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 06:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The person in the article is notable. Agreed with the above two wikipedians views, I also voted to Keep this article. This person is highly covered by mainstream media whether National (Indian) or International. You can easily check all the references in the reference list of Safoora Zargar
- Delete most of content isn't cited with reliable source, a very few sources are cited with indepent or reliable websites, I think the subject isn't notable enough (yet) to be here as per WP:GNG ; many part of this article have no any refrance seems editor's interest e.g the first para. of controversy section where the editor mentioned porn actress, her allegations and all that, also for her husband a very few result are showing and however it is clear, the subject covered a few media coverage on internet but not notable (yet), Thanks. Sturdyankit (chat) 12:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry but. Sources like Al Jazeera, BBC etc ain't non notable. On the Wikipedia, nothing is complete and nothing belongs to any single editor. If creating editor does a mistake, other users rectify it and this is how Wikipedia works. The national and international reliable independent media coverage passes WP:SIGCOV and so, WP:GNG. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 12:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- I am the creator of this article, I am a newbie too. I did it with the limited knowledge. The Wikipedia community editor are here to support every new editor to work on Wikipedia by following all the rules and regulations. I might be make mistake. But this article is so much notable and Al Jazeera and BBC is enough to define it's notability. However, there are 100+ articles on the same person available online—covered by National as well as International media. I am a new user and have too low contribution till now. Hope minor mistakes should be fixed by other editors which will encourage me to improve my future contribution. Thank You. - TheChunky ( talk) 13:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable activist. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Would you like to expand your vote? How is the subject not notable of having WP when they have received significant coverage in reliable national and international media including BBC, Al-Jazeera, Gulf News etc. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 21:33, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable Activist. Doing protest against Government decisions is not enough to justify Notability. Being a student and protests what else she did? Fails WP:GNG. DMySon 11:25, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Would you like to address the issues of national and international coverage? Which clearly passes WP:GNG. How doing protests against government is not notable? How protests ain't notable? - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 11:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as meets WP:GNG-- Irshadpp ( talk) 12:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The subject is notable for her role in anti-CAA protests and has received national and international coverage, passes the criterias of WP:GNG. Since, there's role in anti-CAA protests, I agree with AaqibAnjum on this, it passes WP:1E and thus stand alone article is justified.— Hammad (Talk!) 13:45, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Delete No indication of notability. A student who wants fame under Citizenship Amendment Act protests. Fails WP:GNG, Fails WP:SIGCOV. Numan765 ( talk) 09:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- How do you say it fails SIGCOV and GNG when there's national and international coverage including BBC and Al Jazeera. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī ( talk) 09:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - an alternative option could be renaming something like the Arrest of Kafeel Khan article. Also, I disagree with Numan765's view of the subject's attention-seeking approach. She was thrown behind the bars when the CAA issue as well as the protests took a backseat. -- Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 19:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
*Deleteagree with @
Numan765 and @
DMySon Dear, @
AaqibAnjum few months back, a lot of protesters rise against indian gov and they also covered by medias but sarfoora's issue become a bit voilent here in india because she was behind the bar with her pregnancy so covered by international media BBC and all that(as you said) but this doesnt make the subject notable, the protest surely is notable enough and already have a article I recommend an alternative of delete is to merge this subject with it_https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen_Bagh_protests. as you know, a whole community of students from
Jamia Millia Islamia participated in this protest some were Zainul Abidin, Mehroneesha , Abidin Hussain etc_they all protestors and they too covered by reliable medias as
The Times of India,
ABP News,
Aaj Tak,
Business Standard,
the telegraph etc but this doesnt make them notable (yet) okay, now come to your point,
BBC and
Al Jazeera, kindly visit once again they focus on these all things reletated to that protest as brutality, the hunger strike and her pregnancy etc providing a topic of her along with many other scholars of JMI were arrested as Meeran Haider, a research scholar and member of the Jamia Coordination Committee, Shifa-Ur-Rehman, president of the Jamia Millia Islamia Alumni Association, Gulfisha, an MBA student, and Ishrat Jahan, a former municipal councillor, for participating in anti-CAA protests and they too covered by medias including
BBC and also Safoora was charged with a murder of 50+ person in SaheenBaag look, if the protest create such type of violence then all medias have to cover it and hence Geeta pandey a indian journlist wrote this article to BBC, but these all dont make any sense of an article for her. Thanks
Sturdyankit
(chat) 04:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I already voted Keep. And the things some other editors are telling. The non notable things like she did protest, she was student of JMI. Yes if the thing was limited to these two then it would be non notable. But the actual things are
- CAA protests ends too earlier
- International media covered a pregnant lady arrested by Police at the time of Coronavirus Lockdown
- There were arrest of many students, but Safoora Zargar is covered separately by International as well as National media because of many reasons (numbers of references added not 1 or 2, there are more than 50 International and National media.)
- Huge separate coverage for a person can make it notable.
- TheChunky ( talk) 08:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ TheChunky okay, but I deny your claims, 1. Yup, CAA protest ends on March. 24th and subject arrested on April.10th,as you already know for arresting any one there's a process and in this case 1k+ protesters are there against Indian gov so, with following their rule they arrested her on April.10,_ 2. During lockdown in india the subject got viral with some bullyings, fake or real pics and intimated videos and this issue brings subject in lime light and make her a social media sensation but getting viral doesn't make anyone notable, 3. Yup alot of protesters were arrested and some were killed but due to sensation all medias gave a topic of her but also mentioned other protesters and they had main focus was to explaing the protest with the help of these protesters, as you see at Citizenship Amendment Act protests/Reactions, major countries as United Nations, Pakistani, Malaysia, Kuwait, Europe etc comment on this protest, the subject is only a local protesters having no notablity as of others(1k) and as you said approx. 50 international medias covered this issue I totally deny it only 3 or 4 international medias cover this issue (they cover the protest along with some protesters not any news independently covers her),_4. Visit once the 5th point of WP:GNG and also WP:ARTN there clearly mentioned, significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article,it's totally clear the subject fails in notablity. Sturdyankit (chat) 11:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I already voted Keep. And the things some other editors are telling. The non notable things like she did protest, she was student of JMI. Yes if the thing was limited to these two then it would be non notable. But the actual things are
- Keep All kinds of news coverage by international media, in-depth references. The subject is definitely notable!!! Ngrewal1 ( talk) 16:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Delete As per nomination by User:Sturdyankit. KST981 ( talk) 09:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Just a situational correction, this DR was started by User:DiplomatTesterMan.-- Hindustanilanguage ( talk) 09:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete BLP1E got only coverage during protests fails WP:GNG, and WP:ANYBIO. 2405:201:E801:1770:E5AF:8D88:EE67:A66F ( talk) 11:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ 2405:201:E801:1770:E5AF:8D88:EE67:A66F: clearly you have a User ID on Wikipedia, but chose to make this comment whilst logged out. What is your User ID?-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete, per WP:BIO1E. Stifle ( talk) 14:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep but Rename to Arrest of Safoora Zargar to satisfy BLP1E. The event is notable, since it has received significant coverage over quite a long period of time, but the person at the centre of it is probably not. I am noting a lot of, shall we say politicised arguments brought up by Keep voters. Also User:Sturdyankit, you may only vote once, I have stricken your second Delete vote for you. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 22:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.