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The result was merge to Calpe#History. seems to have slightly more consensus than Barbary slave trade. That can be fine tuned when the merge is performed as target is not an admin decision Star Mississippi 03:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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Fails GNG and NEVENT. Sources in article and found in before are not WP:SIGCOV, addressing the subject directly and indepth.
- Source eval:
Comments Source Fails SIGCOV. Article event took place in 1637, book covers 1735-1830, has one sentence mention 1. Bekkaoui, K. (2010-11-24). White Women Captives in North Africa: Narratives of Enslavement, 1735-1830. Springer. p. 2. ISBN 978-0-230-29449-3. Fails SIGCOV, a one sentence mention 2. ^ Street, Lucie (1986). An Uncommon Sailor: A Portrait of Admiral Sir William Penn, English Naval Supremacy. Kensal Press. ISBN 978-0-946041-47-3. Fails SIGCOV, a one sentence mention 3. ^ Friedman, Ellen G. (1983). Spanish Captives in North Africa in the Early Modern Age. University of Wisconsin Press. ISBN 978-0-299-09380-8. Fails SIGCOV, again a mention, nothing about the event 4. ^ Hershenzon, Daniel (2018-08-01). The Captive Sea: Slavery, Communication, and Commerce in Early Modern Spain and the Mediterranean. University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN 978-0-8122-9536-8.
- Ping me if WP:THREE with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth about the event are found. No objection to a consensus redirect, but only properly sourced material should be merged. // Timothy :: talk 03:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to Calpe#History as an WP:ATD. Jfire ( talk) 05:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, Algeria, and Spain. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- First i would like to adress these sources
- [1]: "In the Same year the Algerians raided the Spanish Village of Calpe taking 315 Captives mostly women and children.
- (this has no doubt a connection the event as it says the same year as Raid on Ceriale and Borghetto, which i made aswell (they both happend in 1637)
- [2]: "In 1637, Calpe, The coasts of Valencia was razed to the group by corsairs" now sure, you might say there is no saying of Algerians, but its most likely [[Corsairs of Algiers|Algerian Corsairs], we also see help from the moors which helps make this more clear.
- [3]: "Calpe in Valencia was Attacked by Algerian Corsairs" here we see a clear taking of algerian corsairs not only, that in the August of 1637, the Viceroy of Valencia found out about the raid on calpe.
- [4]: i admit, here we only have one small mention of the raid, but it gives a deciption of what type of ship was used 'Galleys' that is, but i would understand the removal of this.
- ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ ( talk) 09:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- " ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ ( talk) 09:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to Calpe#History. The enslavement of 315 Spaniards ought to be a significant event, but we have so little detail or background in this article that it cannot be kept as a free-standing article, unless expanded to provide context or merged with an article on Algerian slave-raiding in Spain (or Europe). However merging is a viable option. At an earlier date the village had a population of only 350 people, so that the effect must have been to reduce its size considerably. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Another possible merge/redirect target is Barbary slave trade. — Srnec ( talk) 03:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Calpe#History. seems to have slightly more consensus than Barbary slave trade. That can be fine tuned when the merge is performed as target is not an admin decision Star Mississippi 03:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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- Sack of Calpe (1637) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG and NEVENT. Sources in article and found in before are not WP:SIGCOV, addressing the subject directly and indepth.
- Source eval:
Comments Source Fails SIGCOV. Article event took place in 1637, book covers 1735-1830, has one sentence mention 1. Bekkaoui, K. (2010-11-24). White Women Captives in North Africa: Narratives of Enslavement, 1735-1830. Springer. p. 2. ISBN 978-0-230-29449-3. Fails SIGCOV, a one sentence mention 2. ^ Street, Lucie (1986). An Uncommon Sailor: A Portrait of Admiral Sir William Penn, English Naval Supremacy. Kensal Press. ISBN 978-0-946041-47-3. Fails SIGCOV, a one sentence mention 3. ^ Friedman, Ellen G. (1983). Spanish Captives in North Africa in the Early Modern Age. University of Wisconsin Press. ISBN 978-0-299-09380-8. Fails SIGCOV, again a mention, nothing about the event 4. ^ Hershenzon, Daniel (2018-08-01). The Captive Sea: Slavery, Communication, and Commerce in Early Modern Spain and the Mediterranean. University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN 978-0-8122-9536-8.
- Ping me if WP:THREE with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth about the event are found. No objection to a consensus redirect, but only properly sourced material should be merged. // Timothy :: talk 03:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to Calpe#History as an WP:ATD. Jfire ( talk) 05:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, Algeria, and Spain. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- First i would like to adress these sources
- [1]: "In the Same year the Algerians raided the Spanish Village of Calpe taking 315 Captives mostly women and children.
- (this has no doubt a connection the event as it says the same year as Raid on Ceriale and Borghetto, which i made aswell (they both happend in 1637)
- [2]: "In 1637, Calpe, The coasts of Valencia was razed to the group by corsairs" now sure, you might say there is no saying of Algerians, but its most likely [[Corsairs of Algiers|Algerian Corsairs], we also see help from the moors which helps make this more clear.
- [3]: "Calpe in Valencia was Attacked by Algerian Corsairs" here we see a clear taking of algerian corsairs not only, that in the August of 1637, the Viceroy of Valencia found out about the raid on calpe.
- [4]: i admit, here we only have one small mention of the raid, but it gives a deciption of what type of ship was used 'Galleys' that is, but i would understand the removal of this.
- ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ ( talk) 09:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- " ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ ( talk) 09:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and Redirect to Calpe#History. The enslavement of 315 Spaniards ought to be a significant event, but we have so little detail or background in this article that it cannot be kept as a free-standing article, unless expanded to provide context or merged with an article on Algerian slave-raiding in Spain (or Europe). However merging is a viable option. At an earlier date the village had a population of only 350 people, so that the effect must have been to reduce its size considerably. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Another possible merge/redirect target is Barbary slave trade. — Srnec ( talk) 03:42, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.