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The result was redirect to List of Maharashtra cricketers. There is consensus that S. Vanspal is not notable. List of Maharashtra cricketers was identified as a suitable redirect target. — Newslinger talk 09:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
S. Vanspal
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Fails WP:GNG, and by extension WP:N, and the coverage is routine statistical listings. Subject made two first-class appearances, and is long since retired. Technically, the subject meets WP:CRIN, but this forms a part of WP:NSPORT, which clearly states that "the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept". Per this discussion, community consensus is that "subject-specific notability guidelines do not supersede the general notability guideline, except in clear cases where GNG does not apply." In this case, coverage is so meagre that we do not even have the players full name. Harrias talk 10:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Harrias talk 10:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Harrias talk 10:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment - same comment as on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T. Wilson (Middlesex cricketer). Are there still more which need looking at? In this case, there already exists an article - which looks to be comprehensive - for List of Maharashtra cricketers. If this is an alternative solution, this is probably worth it. There are other initial only cricketers at Maharashtra - namely SV Datar, VV Ketkar, C. Limaye (take this to AfD if you must or bundle it in here but once again we could merge this), KM Madhavan (ditto), PN Pandav, NG Talukdar, KP Ubhayakar, R. Vaidya, and DK Yarde. Bobo . 11:34, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete listing in a directory like Cricket Archieve is not enough to show notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- If that is true (and I'm not saying it isn't) that means we need to look at expanding and cleaning up a heck of a lot of non-English non-Test first-class players. Forgive me, I'll leave alone now, just leaving a note which (hopefully) will encourage us to look at a lot more first-class cricketers to see what we can do. Sorry. Not an intention to badger - just to leave a general note to myself and others to expand articles based on available sources, etc. A shame that it takes us AfDs to suggest the idea. The fact that it takes ten years for anyone even to raise an eyelid... upsets me. Bobo . 21:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Maharashtra cricketers. A lack any other biographical information tends to suggest that we're unlikely, at this stage, to be able to find any sources which deal with the subject in detail - I certainly can't find anything. That we know of only two matches he played in - no other club matches - makes this more likely in my view. If such sources become available I would, as always, have no issue with the article being recreated. This is consistent with cases such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. James (1814 cricketer). Blue Square Thing ( talk) 01:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete fails GNG. Rocky 734 ( talk) 06:05, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Assuming I'm these days less likely to vote speedy keep as I would in the old days, if we must not keep the article, we should redirect to the team list in question. Deleting is of no use, especially based on arbitrary nonsense guidelines like GNG where it is clearly stated on WP:N that either GNG or an SNG applies. In any case, someone would end up redirecting to List of Maharashtra cricketers anyway regardless of this conversation. Since there does exist in this case a workable list of first-class players, redirecting would make more sense than deleting. "Does not have a first name listed" is not a deletion criterion. Bobo . 19:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Please forgive me for asking this question again. Do C. Limaye, NG Talukdar and KM Madhavan need looking at? "I'm just going to send these to AfD as and when I find them" is of no use if we're not philosophically consistent. In that way, we could deal with the redlinks PN Pandav, KP Ubhayakar, SV Datar, VV Ketkar, R. Vaidya, and DK Yarde all at the same time. Bobo . 19:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- There would be a case for redirecting the three blue links certainly, and I'd have no objection to redirecting the red links either. It seems a reasonable way to approach these sorts of things in the first instance. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 10:38, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Please forgive me, I forgot A. Ghag, because I hadn't created his article. Bobo . 00:27, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Maharashtra cricketers, as this seems to make the most sense with players for which we know next to nothing about. I've had to do it to a couple of Manchester cricketers with one FC appearance, a name and absolutely nothing else! StickyWicket ( talk) 23:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Nowhere near enough for GNG even if it does meet the SNG. You can't build an article on a statistical record. No Great Shaker ( talk) 13:44, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was redirect to List of Maharashtra cricketers. There is consensus that S. Vanspal is not notable. List of Maharashtra cricketers was identified as a suitable redirect target. — Newslinger talk 09:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
S. Vanspal
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Fails WP:GNG, and by extension WP:N, and the coverage is routine statistical listings. Subject made two first-class appearances, and is long since retired. Technically, the subject meets WP:CRIN, but this forms a part of WP:NSPORT, which clearly states that "the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept". Per this discussion, community consensus is that "subject-specific notability guidelines do not supersede the general notability guideline, except in clear cases where GNG does not apply." In this case, coverage is so meagre that we do not even have the players full name. Harrias talk 10:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Harrias talk 10:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Harrias talk 10:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Harrias talk 10:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - same comment as on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T. Wilson (Middlesex cricketer). Are there still more which need looking at? In this case, there already exists an article - which looks to be comprehensive - for List of Maharashtra cricketers. If this is an alternative solution, this is probably worth it. There are other initial only cricketers at Maharashtra - namely SV Datar, VV Ketkar, C. Limaye (take this to AfD if you must or bundle it in here but once again we could merge this), KM Madhavan (ditto), PN Pandav, NG Talukdar, KP Ubhayakar, R. Vaidya, and DK Yarde. Bobo . 11:34, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete listing in a directory like Cricket Archieve is not enough to show notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- If that is true (and I'm not saying it isn't) that means we need to look at expanding and cleaning up a heck of a lot of non-English non-Test first-class players. Forgive me, I'll leave alone now, just leaving a note which (hopefully) will encourage us to look at a lot more first-class cricketers to see what we can do. Sorry. Not an intention to badger - just to leave a general note to myself and others to expand articles based on available sources, etc. A shame that it takes us AfDs to suggest the idea. The fact that it takes ten years for anyone even to raise an eyelid... upsets me. Bobo . 21:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Maharashtra cricketers. A lack any other biographical information tends to suggest that we're unlikely, at this stage, to be able to find any sources which deal with the subject in detail - I certainly can't find anything. That we know of only two matches he played in - no other club matches - makes this more likely in my view. If such sources become available I would, as always, have no issue with the article being recreated. This is consistent with cases such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. James (1814 cricketer). Blue Square Thing ( talk) 01:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete fails GNG. Rocky 734 ( talk) 06:05, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Assuming I'm these days less likely to vote speedy keep as I would in the old days, if we must not keep the article, we should redirect to the team list in question. Deleting is of no use, especially based on arbitrary nonsense guidelines like GNG where it is clearly stated on WP:N that either GNG or an SNG applies. In any case, someone would end up redirecting to List of Maharashtra cricketers anyway regardless of this conversation. Since there does exist in this case a workable list of first-class players, redirecting would make more sense than deleting. "Does not have a first name listed" is not a deletion criterion. Bobo . 19:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Please forgive me for asking this question again. Do C. Limaye, NG Talukdar and KM Madhavan need looking at? "I'm just going to send these to AfD as and when I find them" is of no use if we're not philosophically consistent. In that way, we could deal with the redlinks PN Pandav, KP Ubhayakar, SV Datar, VV Ketkar, R. Vaidya, and DK Yarde all at the same time. Bobo . 19:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- There would be a case for redirecting the three blue links certainly, and I'd have no objection to redirecting the red links either. It seems a reasonable way to approach these sorts of things in the first instance. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 10:38, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Please forgive me, I forgot A. Ghag, because I hadn't created his article. Bobo . 00:27, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Maharashtra cricketers, as this seems to make the most sense with players for which we know next to nothing about. I've had to do it to a couple of Manchester cricketers with one FC appearance, a name and absolutely nothing else! StickyWicket ( talk) 23:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Nowhere near enough for GNG even if it does meet the SNG. You can't build an article on a statistical record. No Great Shaker ( talk) 13:44, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.