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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator, sources provided demonstrate notability (non-admin closure) signed, Rosguill talk 07:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Rzepin train disaster
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There isn't sufficient coverage in reliable sources to confirm that this event happened. While it is possible that the incident occurred and was censored by the government of the Polish People's Republic, we lack the actual evidence in reliable sources to make that conclusion, and Wikipedia is not the place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS in the absence of reliable source coverage. The lone reliable source cited in the article briefly mentions the event in the context of an article about other Polish train accidents, but also specifies that there is no confirmed evidence of the account beyond hearsay. Googling the Polish title returned a bunch of forum results but no significant coverage in RS–editors with more proficiency in Polish may have better luck. Less than reliable sources report that there was an attempt to memorialize the disaster, but that this attempt was called off due to a lack of evidence that the disaster occurred. Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki train disaster, a similar incident that may or may not have happened and may or may not have been censored, is distinct in that regardless of whether the event happened or not, there was significant coverage in sources from outside of Poland, and thus there is more coverage about both the event and the possible cover up. No such coverage appears to exist for the Rzepin incident. signed, Rosguill talk 22:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete as owner of the article As the owner of the article, im fine with its deletion. I tried to find sources, but couldn't find a reliable. This incident is very obscure and most of the sources are unreliable. Feel free to delete it. -- Cientific124 ( talk) 01:33, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well, after seeing that people have added new sources that establish notability to the article, my deletion suggestion may be disconsidered.-- Cientific124 ( talk) 11:06, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. No English language sources; the only ones are in Polish. Not notable. Akld guy ( talk) 02:50, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Uh, non-English sources are 100% acceptable provided that they're reliable. The issue here is that there doesn't appear to be any coverage in RS of any language. signed, Rosguill talk 03:08, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - The sources appear to have been taken from the Polish article, The best I've found is this which states it's a rumour - An overall Google search brings up words like "apparently", "rumoured" and "allegedly" but there's nothing that says Yes this happened or No it didn't,
- Given
Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki train disaster exists (and too is alleged) I honestly can't support deleting this - Whilst sources for this aren't great I feel it's odd to delete one and not the other although as I said the other article has better sources than this. –
Davey2010
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21:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- I feel like the difference between these two articles is that regardless of whether the events happened or not, Nowy Dwór received attention in reliable sources and thus is notable; even if we somehow found evidence that conclusively proved that Nowy Dwór didn't happen, it would still be notable because of the existing coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 22:22, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep for now - If there was a train crash where 150 to 160 people died, it would be notable! I think the searches for this are being done in the wrong way. Is this the same one at Upi.com - "160 died in train wreck, Rzepin, Poland, July 9, 1952"? The date is different. Karl Twist ( talk) 15:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - This is a poorly written article. Needs to be improved. Karl Twist ( talk) 15:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Searching for references. Because the incident may be in Poland. It's going to be more searchable in that language. Now Rzepin train disaster may be the correct title for Wikipedia but that doesn't mean it's going to be very searchable in that name. Might I suggest that editors who are interested to help, try some variations of the incident. Also some Polish speaking Wikipedians should prove to be a good help. Thanks Karl Twist ( talk) 13:09, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Some links to peruse regarding some of the !votes above include WP:OWN and WP:NOENG.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:58, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I found several sources which establish notability and have added these to the article.-- Pontificalibus 08:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep The earliest available reliable source is the 1953 Britannica book of the year which states that it was an "unconfirmed report". Other references also state the same date byt specify it was unconfirmed. I think this is somewhat like the Lost Cosmonauts. We won't know what is the truth, but the description of the incident itself seems to be notable. I think it is fine for Wikipedia to state it was an "alleged incident" and describe the same.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 02:49, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator, sources provided demonstrate notability (non-admin closure) signed, Rosguill talk 07:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Rzepin train disaster
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There isn't sufficient coverage in reliable sources to confirm that this event happened. While it is possible that the incident occurred and was censored by the government of the Polish People's Republic, we lack the actual evidence in reliable sources to make that conclusion, and Wikipedia is not the place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS in the absence of reliable source coverage. The lone reliable source cited in the article briefly mentions the event in the context of an article about other Polish train accidents, but also specifies that there is no confirmed evidence of the account beyond hearsay. Googling the Polish title returned a bunch of forum results but no significant coverage in RS–editors with more proficiency in Polish may have better luck. Less than reliable sources report that there was an attempt to memorialize the disaster, but that this attempt was called off due to a lack of evidence that the disaster occurred. Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki train disaster, a similar incident that may or may not have happened and may or may not have been censored, is distinct in that regardless of whether the event happened or not, there was significant coverage in sources from outside of Poland, and thus there is more coverage about both the event and the possible cover up. No such coverage appears to exist for the Rzepin incident. signed, Rosguill talk 22:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as owner of the article As the owner of the article, im fine with its deletion. I tried to find sources, but couldn't find a reliable. This incident is very obscure and most of the sources are unreliable. Feel free to delete it. -- Cientific124 ( talk) 01:33, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well, after seeing that people have added new sources that establish notability to the article, my deletion suggestion may be disconsidered.-- Cientific124 ( talk) 11:06, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. No English language sources; the only ones are in Polish. Not notable. Akld guy ( talk) 02:50, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Uh, non-English sources are 100% acceptable provided that they're reliable. The issue here is that there doesn't appear to be any coverage in RS of any language. signed, Rosguill talk 03:08, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - The sources appear to have been taken from the Polish article, The best I've found is this which states it's a rumour - An overall Google search brings up words like "apparently", "rumoured" and "allegedly" but there's nothing that says Yes this happened or No it didn't,
- Given
Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki train disaster exists (and too is alleged) I honestly can't support deleting this - Whilst sources for this aren't great I feel it's odd to delete one and not the other although as I said the other article has better sources than this. –
Davey2010
Talk
21:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- I feel like the difference between these two articles is that regardless of whether the events happened or not, Nowy Dwór received attention in reliable sources and thus is notable; even if we somehow found evidence that conclusively proved that Nowy Dwór didn't happen, it would still be notable because of the existing coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 22:22, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep for now - If there was a train crash where 150 to 160 people died, it would be notable! I think the searches for this are being done in the wrong way. Is this the same one at Upi.com - "160 died in train wreck, Rzepin, Poland, July 9, 1952"? The date is different. Karl Twist ( talk) 15:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - This is a poorly written article. Needs to be improved. Karl Twist ( talk) 15:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Searching for references. Because the incident may be in Poland. It's going to be more searchable in that language. Now Rzepin train disaster may be the correct title for Wikipedia but that doesn't mean it's going to be very searchable in that name. Might I suggest that editors who are interested to help, try some variations of the incident. Also some Polish speaking Wikipedians should prove to be a good help. Thanks Karl Twist ( talk) 13:09, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Some links to peruse regarding some of the !votes above include WP:OWN and WP:NOENG.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:58, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I found several sources which establish notability and have added these to the article.-- Pontificalibus 08:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep The earliest available reliable source is the 1953 Britannica book of the year which states that it was an "unconfirmed report". Other references also state the same date byt specify it was unconfirmed. I think this is somewhat like the Lost Cosmonauts. We won't know what is the truth, but the description of the incident itself seems to be notable. I think it is fine for Wikipedia to state it was an "alleged incident" and describe the same.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 02:49, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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