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The result was delete. j⚛e decker talk 03:58, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Ruben Gasparyan
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Delete: Fails WP:BLP Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 08:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. I came across this via a request at WP:REFUND asking for the page to be retained. From what I can glean from this article (which is extremely promotional) Gasparyan did serve as a professor at multiple colleges and universities and he did publish some works, but the problem here is that it's expected that most college professors will publish works and/or write for textbooks. It's definitely a "publish or perish" sort of world. The article claims that he served for about a year as the "Head of the Department of the Armenian Question and the History of the Armenian Genocide" at the Armenian National Academy of Sciences (if I understand the article correctly). I can't find anything in English to support notability or any of the claims in the article, so it's possible that coverage will be only in Armenian. (Although it's always a little worrisome when someone appears to have no coverage in English, as there's usually at least a little chatter somewhere about notable figures. It doesn't mean that he can't be notable, just that the chances of the claims bearing fruit drop quite a bit.) I'll drop a note at that project and ask someone to come in and help look for sources. No opinion on this as of yet as to whether or not he passes WP:NPROF. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:08, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Offhand I'm not finding anything at the official website for the National Academy that mentions Gasparyan. I do understand that he died in 2013, but if there are plans to publish his work posthumously then there would be some mention somewhere about him. I did, however, finally find this, which says he was Director of the Institute of History. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- I couldn't stand it, so I've cleaned the article up dramatically and essentially re-wrote the piece. It's still unsourced, but it should at least be easier for incoming editors to read. You can find the previous version here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:46, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - From what is currently available he currently fails WP:BLP, and cannot be verified for WP:NPROF.- McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 13:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - there's only one borderline claim in the article that might meet WP:NACADEMIC but can't be verified. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 20:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Thanks for the cleanup, Tokyogirl79, it helps make what's claimed and what's sourced here much clearer. What's claimed: that he worked for a scientific institution eventually becoming a mid-level manager, and that he published stuff. Neither of these things is sufficient for notability per WP:PROF: working for a national academy is not the same as being honored by membership in the academy, chairing a department is not the highest level position at the academy, and we need evidence of impact not just of publication. As for sourcing: it's pretty much nonexistent, so the article fails verifiability and would have to be trimmed back even more severely if kept. — David Eppstein ( talk) 21:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! I wasn't sure if his position would make him pass WP:PROF since I'm not terribly familiar with all of the ins and out of that policy. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)
- Delete. "Publish or perish!" is WP:ROUTINE for professors. Pax 23:27, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. j⚛e decker talk 03:58, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Ruben Gasparyan
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Delete: Fails WP:BLP Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 08:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. I came across this via a request at WP:REFUND asking for the page to be retained. From what I can glean from this article (which is extremely promotional) Gasparyan did serve as a professor at multiple colleges and universities and he did publish some works, but the problem here is that it's expected that most college professors will publish works and/or write for textbooks. It's definitely a "publish or perish" sort of world. The article claims that he served for about a year as the "Head of the Department of the Armenian Question and the History of the Armenian Genocide" at the Armenian National Academy of Sciences (if I understand the article correctly). I can't find anything in English to support notability or any of the claims in the article, so it's possible that coverage will be only in Armenian. (Although it's always a little worrisome when someone appears to have no coverage in English, as there's usually at least a little chatter somewhere about notable figures. It doesn't mean that he can't be notable, just that the chances of the claims bearing fruit drop quite a bit.) I'll drop a note at that project and ask someone to come in and help look for sources. No opinion on this as of yet as to whether or not he passes WP:NPROF. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:08, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Offhand I'm not finding anything at the official website for the National Academy that mentions Gasparyan. I do understand that he died in 2013, but if there are plans to publish his work posthumously then there would be some mention somewhere about him. I did, however, finally find this, which says he was Director of the Institute of History. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- I couldn't stand it, so I've cleaned the article up dramatically and essentially re-wrote the piece. It's still unsourced, but it should at least be easier for incoming editors to read. You can find the previous version here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:46, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - From what is currently available he currently fails WP:BLP, and cannot be verified for WP:NPROF.- McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 13:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - there's only one borderline claim in the article that might meet WP:NACADEMIC but can't be verified. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 20:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Thanks for the cleanup, Tokyogirl79, it helps make what's claimed and what's sourced here much clearer. What's claimed: that he worked for a scientific institution eventually becoming a mid-level manager, and that he published stuff. Neither of these things is sufficient for notability per WP:PROF: working for a national academy is not the same as being honored by membership in the academy, chairing a department is not the highest level position at the academy, and we need evidence of impact not just of publication. As for sourcing: it's pretty much nonexistent, so the article fails verifiability and would have to be trimmed back even more severely if kept. — David Eppstein ( talk) 21:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! I wasn't sure if his position would make him pass WP:PROF since I'm not terribly familiar with all of the ins and out of that policy. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)
- Delete. "Publish or perish!" is WP:ROUTINE for professors. Pax 23:27, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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