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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
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Does not meet WP:SINGER. LibStar ( talk) 04:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Finland. Shellwood ( talk) 10:13, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete cannot find sufficient independent, reliable coverage to justify an article under WP:GNG or WP:NSINGER in English, Finnish, or Vietnamese. Some press-release stuff turns up, but nothing that could meet WP:SIRS. It's possible I've missed some Finnish-language material, but can't support keeping on that basis alone. —Ganesha811 ( talk) 00:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep In general, there are a billion shorter tabloid-type stories from around 2005-2007, see e.g.
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7],
[8],
[9]. There's probably some argument to be made that these could be ignored as being individually short and/or something along the lines of
WP:BIO1E. But some of the coverage appears to have been more lasting and/or otherwise independent from the contestant status:
- Helsingin Sanomat [10] stating he was the Vietnamese Person of the Year in 2005
- Iltalehti: [11] revisits him in 2020
- Ilta-Sanomat: [12] from 2015
- MTV Uutiset: [13] from 2016. Says it's based on another article in Seiska but the link doesn't work.
- Savon Sanomat: [14], 2009 but very short
- Taken as a whole, I find myself a bit borderline on this, but leaning towards a keep. Hence, "weak keep" at this point. -
Ljleppan (
talk)
08:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- If the above is found insufficient, I'd propose to redirect to Idols (Finnish TV series) per both WP:ATD-R and WP:REALITYSINGER. Ljleppan ( talk) 06:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)- Weak keep based on the sources given above. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep based on the sources identified in this discussion that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:18, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
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- Roni Tran Binh Trong ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:SINGER. LibStar ( talk) 04:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Finland. Shellwood ( talk) 10:13, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete cannot find sufficient independent, reliable coverage to justify an article under WP:GNG or WP:NSINGER in English, Finnish, or Vietnamese. Some press-release stuff turns up, but nothing that could meet WP:SIRS. It's possible I've missed some Finnish-language material, but can't support keeping on that basis alone. —Ganesha811 ( talk) 00:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep In general, there are a billion shorter tabloid-type stories from around 2005-2007, see e.g.
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7],
[8],
[9]. There's probably some argument to be made that these could be ignored as being individually short and/or something along the lines of
WP:BIO1E. But some of the coverage appears to have been more lasting and/or otherwise independent from the contestant status:
- Helsingin Sanomat [10] stating he was the Vietnamese Person of the Year in 2005
- Iltalehti: [11] revisits him in 2020
- Ilta-Sanomat: [12] from 2015
- MTV Uutiset: [13] from 2016. Says it's based on another article in Seiska but the link doesn't work.
- Savon Sanomat: [14], 2009 but very short
- Taken as a whole, I find myself a bit borderline on this, but leaning towards a keep. Hence, "weak keep" at this point. -
Ljleppan (
talk)
08:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- If the above is found insufficient, I'd propose to redirect to Idols (Finnish TV series) per both WP:ATD-R and WP:REALITYSINGER. Ljleppan ( talk) 06:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)- Weak keep based on the sources given above. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep based on the sources identified in this discussion that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 22:18, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.