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The result was merge to Geometry Dash. Liz Read! Talk! 08:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Robert Topala
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Article has been redirected and restored a couple of times. Doesn't meet notability, person has developed one notable video game ( Geometry Dash). Sources referenced are predominantly about Geometry Dash, with some about other games - not about Topala. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Video games. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- This article has been redirected before by @ Anarchyte and Cat's Tuxedo:. It has been most recently restored by @ Schminnte:. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Needless to say, as the creator of this revision I would like to keep the page. Firstly though, some background. I created this page in a translation from Spanish Wikipedia; it is not a resurfaced copy of the original redirected articles. @ Soetermans is the first person to find issue with this article. They turned the page into a redirect again without any discussion. While I can see why this was done, someone could reasonably assume that I was merely recreating the redirect, my revision is substantially more sourced than the original removed article. My problem is that the article was reviewed by New Page Patrol, who saw no problems with it. I'll tag the reviewer @ Onel5969. I believe the article does pass notability, as it has multiple independent sources. TLDR, I don't think the page should be deleted as it adds more depth to the areas not covered by Geometry Dash, including Topala's other games.Merge as per comment below. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 10:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)- Sorry just realized how long that is.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
10:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a look at
its history, it was PROD'ed in September 2016. That same month,
Anarchyte redirected it. It stayed that way for years, until
MapFreak123 restored it.
Cat's Tuxedo redirected it again. So it's clearly not true that I am the first that doesn't think it should stay. Topala's other games are themselves not notable. That Topala created a notable game doesn't automatically mean he himself is notable too, per
WP:INHERITED. Also note there's nothing wrong with mentioning a developer's previous work in a development section. And finally, NPP does not somehow mean articles are beyond deletion.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Once again, I am not referring to the previous incarnations of this article. To clear things up, the revision of the article that I contributed to is what I am talking about when I say that you are the first to find issue. I am in no way involved with any previous versions of the page. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 11:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a look at
its history, it was PROD'ed in September 2016. That same month,
Anarchyte redirected it. It stayed that way for years, until
MapFreak123 restored it.
Cat's Tuxedo redirected it again. So it's clearly not true that I am the first that doesn't think it should stay. Topala's other games are themselves not notable. That Topala created a notable game doesn't automatically mean he himself is notable too, per
WP:INHERITED. Also note there's nothing wrong with mentioning a developer's previous work in a development section. And finally, NPP does not somehow mean articles are beyond deletion.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry just realized how long that is.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
10:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - i have removed a ref which contains way too much personal information from the page. WP is not a CV or a phone directory.
JMWt (
talk)
11:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, I was only using it for marriage information. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note - I don't know if it will help, but I found a reference that looks very promising. https://www.di.se/digital/mangmiljonvinst-for-sveriges-storsta-speldoldis-85-procent-i-marginal/
- Unfortunately it is behind a paywall. If anyone has a subscription it might be very helpful.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
11:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a gander at the custom
WP:VG/RS
search engine, curated by
WP:VG. If you look up 'robert topala', you get a total of nine results. All of which are about Topala's work on Geometry Dash. There's no coverage on him as a person.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
13:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- That may be the case, on that search engine. I've also noticed that those results are entirely English language websites; they disregard articles in Topala's native Swedish.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
15:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Not true, the source engine incorporates sources in other languages also, considered reliable by the WikiProject, see
Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Non-English. Topala's a video game designer, if he would be notable there would've been more results.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- While it may not disregard non-english language results as a whole, is it not true that there are no Swedish websites on the search list?
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
16:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Are you trying to catch me in a lie or something? No, there are no results in Swedish. But to be clear, we're talking about a video game developer, video games have a very international reach. It's not Swedish literature or Swedish architecture, Topala is a developer of digital entertainment. If he'd be more notable, his name would've appeared more often.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
17:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to catch you out. Please assume good faith. As you say yourself, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia. In fact, this is the first time I've ever heard of this search engine as I'm more used to doing work in the reach of WikiProject Music. Sorry if my comments may seem that way to you, I'm still learning about parts of Wikipedia I have less experience in. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Are you trying to catch me in a lie or something? No, there are no results in Swedish. But to be clear, we're talking about a video game developer, video games have a very international reach. It's not Swedish literature or Swedish architecture, Topala is a developer of digital entertainment. If he'd be more notable, his name would've appeared more often.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
17:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- While it may not disregard non-english language results as a whole, is it not true that there are no Swedish websites on the search list?
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
16:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Not true, the source engine incorporates sources in other languages also, considered reliable by the WikiProject, see
Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Non-English. Topala's a video game designer, if he would be notable there would've been more results.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- That may be the case, on that search engine. I've also noticed that those results are entirely English language websites; they disregard articles in Topala's native Swedish.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
15:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a gander at the custom
WP:VG/RS
search engine, curated by
WP:VG. If you look up 'robert topala', you get a total of nine results. All of which are about Topala's work on Geometry Dash. There's no coverage on him as a person.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
13:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect or merge to
Geometry Dash. Sources are mostly about one game and the developer can be covered there.
Shooterwalker (
talk)
15:47, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Honestly, I’m ok with a merge, as long as the writing is used. Perhaps consider condensing the best parts of the article into a new “developer” section? I don’t really like AfDs, so I don’t know if I’ll regret this. But I’ll agree with a merge. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 17:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi
Schminnte, see
WP:VG/MOS for a summary of video game articles. There are 'development' sections, not 'developer' sections. What can be merged is Topala's work on Geometry Dash. That's what's notable, not him as a person, his other works or his personal life.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks. As it's exceedingly likely to be a merge now, how will that be carried out? Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi
Schminnte, see
WP:VG/MOS for a summary of video game articles. There are 'development' sections, not 'developer' sections. What can be merged is Topala's work on Geometry Dash. That's what's notable, not him as a person, his other works or his personal life.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Merge with Geometry Dash — person's only claim to notability, substantial content here could be included in a "Development" section. DecafPotato ( talk) 01:45, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Geometry Dash. Liz Read! Talk! 08:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Robert Topala
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Robert Topala ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Article has been redirected and restored a couple of times. Doesn't meet notability, person has developed one notable video game ( Geometry Dash). Sources referenced are predominantly about Geometry Dash, with some about other games - not about Topala. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Video games. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- This article has been redirected before by @ Anarchyte and Cat's Tuxedo:. It has been most recently restored by @ Schminnte:. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Needless to say, as the creator of this revision I would like to keep the page. Firstly though, some background. I created this page in a translation from Spanish Wikipedia; it is not a resurfaced copy of the original redirected articles. @ Soetermans is the first person to find issue with this article. They turned the page into a redirect again without any discussion. While I can see why this was done, someone could reasonably assume that I was merely recreating the redirect, my revision is substantially more sourced than the original removed article. My problem is that the article was reviewed by New Page Patrol, who saw no problems with it. I'll tag the reviewer @ Onel5969. I believe the article does pass notability, as it has multiple independent sources. TLDR, I don't think the page should be deleted as it adds more depth to the areas not covered by Geometry Dash, including Topala's other games.Merge as per comment below. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 10:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)- Sorry just realized how long that is.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
10:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a look at
its history, it was PROD'ed in September 2016. That same month,
Anarchyte redirected it. It stayed that way for years, until
MapFreak123 restored it.
Cat's Tuxedo redirected it again. So it's clearly not true that I am the first that doesn't think it should stay. Topala's other games are themselves not notable. That Topala created a notable game doesn't automatically mean he himself is notable too, per
WP:INHERITED. Also note there's nothing wrong with mentioning a developer's previous work in a development section. And finally, NPP does not somehow mean articles are beyond deletion.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Once again, I am not referring to the previous incarnations of this article. To clear things up, the revision of the article that I contributed to is what I am talking about when I say that you are the first to find issue. I am in no way involved with any previous versions of the page. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 11:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a look at
its history, it was PROD'ed in September 2016. That same month,
Anarchyte redirected it. It stayed that way for years, until
MapFreak123 restored it.
Cat's Tuxedo redirected it again. So it's clearly not true that I am the first that doesn't think it should stay. Topala's other games are themselves not notable. That Topala created a notable game doesn't automatically mean he himself is notable too, per
WP:INHERITED. Also note there's nothing wrong with mentioning a developer's previous work in a development section. And finally, NPP does not somehow mean articles are beyond deletion.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
11:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry just realized how long that is.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
10:47, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - i have removed a ref which contains way too much personal information from the page. WP is not a CV or a phone directory.
JMWt (
talk)
11:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, I was only using it for marriage information. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note - I don't know if it will help, but I found a reference that looks very promising. https://www.di.se/digital/mangmiljonvinst-for-sveriges-storsta-speldoldis-85-procent-i-marginal/
- Unfortunately it is behind a paywall. If anyone has a subscription it might be very helpful.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
11:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a gander at the custom
WP:VG/RS
search engine, curated by
WP:VG. If you look up 'robert topala', you get a total of nine results. All of which are about Topala's work on Geometry Dash. There's no coverage on him as a person.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
13:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- That may be the case, on that search engine. I've also noticed that those results are entirely English language websites; they disregard articles in Topala's native Swedish.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
15:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Not true, the source engine incorporates sources in other languages also, considered reliable by the WikiProject, see
Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Non-English. Topala's a video game designer, if he would be notable there would've been more results.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- While it may not disregard non-english language results as a whole, is it not true that there are no Swedish websites on the search list?
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
16:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Are you trying to catch me in a lie or something? No, there are no results in Swedish. But to be clear, we're talking about a video game developer, video games have a very international reach. It's not Swedish literature or Swedish architecture, Topala is a developer of digital entertainment. If he'd be more notable, his name would've appeared more often.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
17:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to catch you out. Please assume good faith. As you say yourself, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia. In fact, this is the first time I've ever heard of this search engine as I'm more used to doing work in the reach of WikiProject Music. Sorry if my comments may seem that way to you, I'm still learning about parts of Wikipedia I have less experience in. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Are you trying to catch me in a lie or something? No, there are no results in Swedish. But to be clear, we're talking about a video game developer, video games have a very international reach. It's not Swedish literature or Swedish architecture, Topala is a developer of digital entertainment. If he'd be more notable, his name would've appeared more often.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
17:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- While it may not disregard non-english language results as a whole, is it not true that there are no Swedish websites on the search list?
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
16:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Not true, the source engine incorporates sources in other languages also, considered reliable by the WikiProject, see
Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Non-English. Topala's a video game designer, if he would be notable there would've been more results.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- That may be the case, on that search engine. I've also noticed that those results are entirely English language websites; they disregard articles in Topala's native Swedish.
Schminnte (
talk •
contribs)
15:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Take a gander at the custom
WP:VG/RS
search engine, curated by
WP:VG. If you look up 'robert topala', you get a total of nine results. All of which are about Topala's work on Geometry Dash. There's no coverage on him as a person.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
13:14, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect or merge to
Geometry Dash. Sources are mostly about one game and the developer can be covered there.
Shooterwalker (
talk)
15:47, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Honestly, I’m ok with a merge, as long as the writing is used. Perhaps consider condensing the best parts of the article into a new “developer” section? I don’t really like AfDs, so I don’t know if I’ll regret this. But I’ll agree with a merge. Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 17:09, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi
Schminnte, see
WP:VG/MOS for a summary of video game articles. There are 'development' sections, not 'developer' sections. What can be merged is Topala's work on Geometry Dash. That's what's notable, not him as a person, his other works or his personal life.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks. As it's exceedingly likely to be a merge now, how will that be carried out? Schminnte ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi
Schminnte, see
WP:VG/MOS for a summary of video game articles. There are 'development' sections, not 'developer' sections. What can be merged is Topala's work on Geometry Dash. That's what's notable, not him as a person, his other works or his personal life.
soetermans.
↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK
15:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Merge with Geometry Dash — person's only claim to notability, substantial content here could be included in a "Development" section. DecafPotato ( talk) 01:45, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.