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The result was keep. Sandstein 13:10, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Richard Wilbur Award
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This poetry award has an "entry fee is $25 per manuscript, and the award is $1000". Sounds like a vanity award to me, rather than something notable. Edwardx ( talk) 18:00, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment, at the very least a redirect/merge to a "Legacy" section of Richard Wilbur? Coolabahapple ( talk) 02:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment there seems to have been another award by the same name given in 1985 by the University of Missouri Press and the American Literary Translators Association for translating poetry. [1] [2] [3] I don't know about other years. StrayBolt ( talk) 01:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- 1985 Sandra Reyes for Nicanor Parra's Sermones y prédicas del Cristo de Elqui (Sermons and Teachings of the Christ of Elquí)
- 1986 Roger Greenwald and William Mishler for Paal-Helge Haugen's Stone Fences. [4] StrayBolt ( talk) 02:24, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep No compliance with
WP:Before.
Google,
Google Books,
Google News and
HighBeam Research all show that it is often cited and that it is in fact prestigious. Being published by this university is not trivial; it is an important prize and consequential recognition. The $25 fee merely keeps them from being inundated by nonserious applicants. There is only one award per year. Meets
WP:GNG.
The statement that it "sounds like a vanity award" is simply untrue. The argument is WP:OR and a bare conclusion. It is a logical fallacy unrelated to WP:Notability. It ignores
:1. the credentials of the person who established the award William Baer, a professor at the University of Evansville who is recognized as a serious poet in his own right;
:2. the purpose and intent to honor the memory of the second U.S. Poet Laureate Richard Wilbur (who won two Pulitzer Prizes) [1] and
:3. the institutional reputation and gravitas of The University of Evansville.
In effect you are impugning both their credentials and their eleemosynary and artistic intent. This is not a vanity press or a Commercial enterprise. Cf., Famous Poets Society. [2] 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 05:12, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- ^ Aizenman, Hannah (October 16, 2017). "Richard Wilbur in the New Yorker". The New Yorker.
- ^ Rivenburg, Roy (November 24, 2002). "There Once Was a Poet from L.A." Los Angeles Times.
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- Keep. The fact that 15 of the 21 winners have their own articles is enough to convince me of notability. The fact that Amazon refer to it in the titles of entries like this, this and this is also persuasive. Narky Blert ( talk) 11:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Not unlike the
Hopwood Award at the
University of Michigan, which included
Arthur Miller among its recipients.
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 11:30, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Vanity awards are more likely to charge you $1000 to enter and to present you with $25 if you win. Narky Blert ( talk) 21:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- I would not use those reasons for notability. My award (which I just made up) has articles for ALL the winners, all of which are either Nobel, Pulitzer, or Publishing Clearing House winners. I think Amazon mentions the award in the title because it is the subtitle of the book. And now we should find some RSs for the Hopwood Award too. StrayBolt ( talk) 03:36, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- Not unlike the
Hopwood Award at the
University of Michigan, which included
Arthur Miller among its recipients.
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 11:30, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I think this is a misleading nomination, as an entry fee or prize money has nothing at all to do with notability. My bigger concern is I can't find anything reliable that's not a non-primary source (evansville.edu). The Amazon blurbs don't count, unfortunately - they're being used to sell the book. None of the articles linked mention the award anything other than in passing. "Poets and Writers" mentions Robert Crawford's win almost in passing, but perhaps there's text cut off? I'm probably a "weak delete" vote at the moment, but there's enough passing mentions of it around where I don't really care if it's kept, but I would love to see more reliable sources which significantly cover the award. SportingFlyer talk 13:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Small poetry prize created by two exceedingly notable people. Cant see anything wrong with it. Poets live in the sticks, and that combined with the prestigious names attached to it, would suspect the prize would very be welcome. scope_creep ( talk) 14:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Sandstein 13:10, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Richard Wilbur Award
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This poetry award has an "entry fee is $25 per manuscript, and the award is $1000". Sounds like a vanity award to me, rather than something notable. Edwardx ( talk) 18:00, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment, at the very least a redirect/merge to a "Legacy" section of Richard Wilbur? Coolabahapple ( talk) 02:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Green C 23:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment there seems to have been another award by the same name given in 1985 by the University of Missouri Press and the American Literary Translators Association for translating poetry. [1] [2] [3] I don't know about other years. StrayBolt ( talk) 01:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- 1985 Sandra Reyes for Nicanor Parra's Sermones y prédicas del Cristo de Elqui (Sermons and Teachings of the Christ of Elquí)
- 1986 Roger Greenwald and William Mishler for Paal-Helge Haugen's Stone Fences. [4] StrayBolt ( talk) 02:24, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep No compliance with
WP:Before.
Google,
Google Books,
Google News and
HighBeam Research all show that it is often cited and that it is in fact prestigious. Being published by this university is not trivial; it is an important prize and consequential recognition. The $25 fee merely keeps them from being inundated by nonserious applicants. There is only one award per year. Meets
WP:GNG.
The statement that it "sounds like a vanity award" is simply untrue. The argument is WP:OR and a bare conclusion. It is a logical fallacy unrelated to WP:Notability. It ignores
:1. the credentials of the person who established the award William Baer, a professor at the University of Evansville who is recognized as a serious poet in his own right;
:2. the purpose and intent to honor the memory of the second U.S. Poet Laureate Richard Wilbur (who won two Pulitzer Prizes) [1] and
:3. the institutional reputation and gravitas of The University of Evansville.
In effect you are impugning both their credentials and their eleemosynary and artistic intent. This is not a vanity press or a Commercial enterprise. Cf., Famous Poets Society. [2] 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 05:12, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- ^ Aizenman, Hannah (October 16, 2017). "Richard Wilbur in the New Yorker". The New Yorker.
- ^ Rivenburg, Roy (November 24, 2002). "There Once Was a Poet from L.A." Los Angeles Times.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:35, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 09:35, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The fact that 15 of the 21 winners have their own articles is enough to convince me of notability. The fact that Amazon refer to it in the titles of entries like this, this and this is also persuasive. Narky Blert ( talk) 11:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Not unlike the
Hopwood Award at the
University of Michigan, which included
Arthur Miller among its recipients.
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 11:30, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Vanity awards are more likely to charge you $1000 to enter and to present you with $25 if you win. Narky Blert ( talk) 21:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
- I would not use those reasons for notability. My award (which I just made up) has articles for ALL the winners, all of which are either Nobel, Pulitzer, or Publishing Clearing House winners. I think Amazon mentions the award in the title because it is the subtitle of the book. And now we should find some RSs for the Hopwood Award too. StrayBolt ( talk) 03:36, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- Not unlike the
Hopwood Award at the
University of Michigan, which included
Arthur Miller among its recipients.
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 11:30, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I think this is a misleading nomination, as an entry fee or prize money has nothing at all to do with notability. My bigger concern is I can't find anything reliable that's not a non-primary source (evansville.edu). The Amazon blurbs don't count, unfortunately - they're being used to sell the book. None of the articles linked mention the award anything other than in passing. "Poets and Writers" mentions Robert Crawford's win almost in passing, but perhaps there's text cut off? I'm probably a "weak delete" vote at the moment, but there's enough passing mentions of it around where I don't really care if it's kept, but I would love to see more reliable sources which significantly cover the award. SportingFlyer talk 13:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Small poetry prize created by two exceedingly notable people. Cant see anything wrong with it. Poets live in the sticks, and that combined with the prestigious names attached to it, would suspect the prize would very be welcome. scope_creep ( talk) 14:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.