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The result was keep. —ScottyWong— 22:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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not sure this guy is notable, he planned to take part in a notable event, but didn't and previously tried to compete in said notable event, but was unable to actually compete. I don't see how he would meet NATHLETE or whatever recreational/sports sailing falls under and the news of his rescue wasn't all that...newsy, at best was a BLP1E, if that. CUPIDICAE💕 15:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and United Kingdom. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable partcipant in a notable event, he is clearly not notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Assume this is based on the miss assumptions that lead to this request about him not competing in the event. User:Yachty4000 23:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - All 114 sailors that have started the Vendee Globe have a wikipedia page why question one. It was challenged a few days ago after it was edited to have all it reference removed by another user. It has had it content edited heavily again for unknown reasons and now get challenged again. User:Yachty4000 21:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
All 114 sailors that have started the Vendee Globe have a wikipedia page why question one.
This is patently untrue. He did not start, and in fact, we do not have an article on everyone who has. [1], [2] [3]. And the primary difference aside from WP:OSE for the others is that most if not all have multiple competitions where they actually placed or finished and significant coverage. Though, many of these are in fact, written by you and poorly sourced. CUPIDICAE💕 16:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)- Look I only post really about one sport where I am an active historian together with general Olympic Work. But you can easily track on wikipedia that both the statements you made are not correct.
- 1) Here are all 114 starts and 84 unique finishers Category:Vendée_Globe_sailors (these groups validate the table on the primary vendee globe page)
- 2) He started and retired on day 29 of the 2000-2001 Vendee Globe a minimal amount of googling would have found that out. He didn't start a later edition because he sank the boat on a qualifing passage.
- This page was well sourced and referenced as there are lots of articles about him. It not my fault another editor removed all the referencing. A number of the earlier sailors are started by me this is the wikipedia way it very hard to get huge amounts of reliable sourcing about sailor from the 1980s as these are printed media. Fundamentally wiki "french" also has all these pages. Once I have created these pages they usually get expanded by those closer to the person.
User:Yachty4000
18:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- I am rescuing the one missing sailors who page has fallen foul of this procedure. User:Yachty4000 23:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This BBC article and this Sail World are significant coverage, and though WP:1E applies it appears they have received coverage outside of that incident, such as this article. Note that I do not know whether these sailing websites are reliable sources, and if they are not then my position would be to delete the article. BilledMammal ( talk) 10:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- The last source is basically a press release from the competition organization, the first is still BLP1E. CUPIDICAE💕 14:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Plenty of coverage, for example just from The Times: Tolkien entering a new chapter Author: Steve Acteson Date: Thursday, Apr. 7, 1988 Issue: 63049; Tolkien, lord of the waves Date: Thursday, Mar. 17, 1988 Issue: 63031; Tolkien's turnround Author: Carol leonard Date: Monday, June 27, 1988 Issue: 63118; Tolkien on the crest of a wave Author: Carol leonard Date: Thursday, July 6, 1989 Issue: 63439; Tolkien to lead the challenge Author: Barry Pickthall Date: Wednesday, May 16, 1990 Issue: 63707; Leaks end Tolkien's solo quest Author: Keith Wheatley Date: Tuesday, July 24, 1990 Issue: 63766 Piecesofuk ( talk) 16:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2000–2001 Vendée Globe and merge any noteworthy content there. WP:1E applies. Springnuts ( talk) 09:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- There is a fundamental difference between a person profile page (contains background, DOB, other achievements etc.) and a general events page. If there wasn't there would not be ten of thousands of athlete pages on wikipedia User:Yachty4000 23:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 17:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. At the very least passes the WP:GNG, per sources detected by various contributors above. gidonb ( talk) 18:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. —ScottyWong— 22:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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not sure this guy is notable, he planned to take part in a notable event, but didn't and previously tried to compete in said notable event, but was unable to actually compete. I don't see how he would meet NATHLETE or whatever recreational/sports sailing falls under and the news of his rescue wasn't all that...newsy, at best was a BLP1E, if that. CUPIDICAE💕 15:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and United Kingdom. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable partcipant in a notable event, he is clearly not notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Assume this is based on the miss assumptions that lead to this request about him not competing in the event. User:Yachty4000 23:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - All 114 sailors that have started the Vendee Globe have a wikipedia page why question one. It was challenged a few days ago after it was edited to have all it reference removed by another user. It has had it content edited heavily again for unknown reasons and now get challenged again. User:Yachty4000 21:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
All 114 sailors that have started the Vendee Globe have a wikipedia page why question one.
This is patently untrue. He did not start, and in fact, we do not have an article on everyone who has. [1], [2] [3]. And the primary difference aside from WP:OSE for the others is that most if not all have multiple competitions where they actually placed or finished and significant coverage. Though, many of these are in fact, written by you and poorly sourced. CUPIDICAE💕 16:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)- Look I only post really about one sport where I am an active historian together with general Olympic Work. But you can easily track on wikipedia that both the statements you made are not correct.
- 1) Here are all 114 starts and 84 unique finishers Category:Vendée_Globe_sailors (these groups validate the table on the primary vendee globe page)
- 2) He started and retired on day 29 of the 2000-2001 Vendee Globe a minimal amount of googling would have found that out. He didn't start a later edition because he sank the boat on a qualifing passage.
- This page was well sourced and referenced as there are lots of articles about him. It not my fault another editor removed all the referencing. A number of the earlier sailors are started by me this is the wikipedia way it very hard to get huge amounts of reliable sourcing about sailor from the 1980s as these are printed media. Fundamentally wiki "french" also has all these pages. Once I have created these pages they usually get expanded by those closer to the person.
User:Yachty4000
18:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- I am rescuing the one missing sailors who page has fallen foul of this procedure. User:Yachty4000 23:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This BBC article and this Sail World are significant coverage, and though WP:1E applies it appears they have received coverage outside of that incident, such as this article. Note that I do not know whether these sailing websites are reliable sources, and if they are not then my position would be to delete the article. BilledMammal ( talk) 10:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- The last source is basically a press release from the competition organization, the first is still BLP1E. CUPIDICAE💕 14:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Plenty of coverage, for example just from The Times: Tolkien entering a new chapter Author: Steve Acteson Date: Thursday, Apr. 7, 1988 Issue: 63049; Tolkien, lord of the waves Date: Thursday, Mar. 17, 1988 Issue: 63031; Tolkien's turnround Author: Carol leonard Date: Monday, June 27, 1988 Issue: 63118; Tolkien on the crest of a wave Author: Carol leonard Date: Thursday, July 6, 1989 Issue: 63439; Tolkien to lead the challenge Author: Barry Pickthall Date: Wednesday, May 16, 1990 Issue: 63707; Leaks end Tolkien's solo quest Author: Keith Wheatley Date: Tuesday, July 24, 1990 Issue: 63766 Piecesofuk ( talk) 16:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2000–2001 Vendée Globe and merge any noteworthy content there. WP:1E applies. Springnuts ( talk) 09:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- There is a fundamental difference between a person profile page (contains background, DOB, other achievements etc.) and a general events page. If there wasn't there would not be ten of thousands of athlete pages on wikipedia User:Yachty4000 23:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 17:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. At the very least passes the WP:GNG, per sources detected by various contributors above. gidonb ( talk) 18:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
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