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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) sixtynine • speak up • 21:54, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Richard Pennington
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Non-notable individual with no viable third-party sources. Yet another article about a recently-deceased subject that has remained in neglect since its creation ten years ago. Only citations were a fifteen-year-old article from Jet magazine that no longer works, and a non-neutral site about an Atlanta gay-bar raid. Search additionally turns up multiple people from around the country with the same name.
sixtynine
• speak up • 23:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Withdrawn by nominator Significant improvement has recently been made to the article in cleanup and establishing of subject notability, with a host of viable sources, so I'll go ahead and withdraw my submission. Just needs further expansion.
sixtynine
• speak up • 23:51, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Not a single RS to support this article, fails simplest of WP standards for notability Cllgbksr ( talk) 00:49, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep, Someone who reportedly served as the highest-ranking official in the police departments of two of the largest cities in the United States would strike me as having some degree of notability, but if this article survives the AfD process, I would consider addition of reliable sources essential to this article's continued survival.-- TommyBoy ( talk) 02:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep with a gentle WP:BEFORE reminder. Here's the Atlanta Journal Constitution, The Advocate and The Times-Picayune all devoting full articles to him, and then there's a great deal more press that includes descriptions of his work over many years. Sustained, significant coverage, passes GNG. Innisfree987 ( talk) 02:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Weak Delete I don't believe a person's obituary notices in newspapers serve as notability. Power~enwiki ( talk) 06:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- That would be true of paid notices, but these are news stories about his death which is a different thing, and contain substantial detail as well as indications that he has been covered in much more detail in the past. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 08:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Big Keep: Richard Pennington, when he was the police superintendent in Atlanta and New Orleans, was considered one of the most prominent police chiefs in the country. In New Orleans he is widely regarded as the greatest police chief in modern New Orleans history, probably the best chief in the city's history--that is the overriding consensus. Under his six year watch in New Orleans, the murder rate dropped 50%(!). His methods revolutionized the department with the introduction of COMSTAT and other innovations, and he rooted out corruption that had plagued the depatment before he came. There plenty of other articles at Wikipedia about police chiefs from other cities who are less notable. Admittedly this article is lousy and needs much better coverage and sources--and you can find a ton of good sources. Anyone can go to the archives NOLA.com and find numerous Times-Picayune articles on him, or go to the Atlanta Constitution and find the same. Today his death was reported as the top story at the top of the front page (with a big headline) in the printed version of the New Orleans Advocate--about a police chief that has been gone for over 15 years(!). That must mean something. Keep the article. In a few weeks when I get some time, I'd like to do an expansion on it--I'm confident that we could get it to GA. Don't delete it. Garagepunk66 ( talk) 13:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Garagepunk66 ( talk) 16:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Keep - Very notable it just needs links, somebody lay them down-- Stop deleting and start completing. Masterknighted ( talk) 15:23, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Keep - His involvement in the Atlanta gay raids was considered a civil rights issue for the LGBT community. But this article needs expansion BADLY!! 205.144.213.202 ( talk) 19:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Full obits in three reliable sources is plenty enough to pass WP:GNG. Edwardx ( talk) 19:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) sixtynine • speak up • 21:54, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Richard Pennington
- Richard Pennington ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Non-notable individual with no viable third-party sources. Yet another article about a recently-deceased subject that has remained in neglect since its creation ten years ago. Only citations were a fifteen-year-old article from Jet magazine that no longer works, and a non-neutral site about an Atlanta gay-bar raid. Search additionally turns up multiple people from around the country with the same name.
sixtynine
• speak up • 23:44, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Withdrawn by nominator Significant improvement has recently been made to the article in cleanup and establishing of subject notability, with a host of viable sources, so I'll go ahead and withdraw my submission. Just needs further expansion.
sixtynine
• speak up • 23:51, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Not a single RS to support this article, fails simplest of WP standards for notability Cllgbksr ( talk) 00:49, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep, Someone who reportedly served as the highest-ranking official in the police departments of two of the largest cities in the United States would strike me as having some degree of notability, but if this article survives the AfD process, I would consider addition of reliable sources essential to this article's continued survival.-- TommyBoy ( talk) 02:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep with a gentle WP:BEFORE reminder. Here's the Atlanta Journal Constitution, The Advocate and The Times-Picayune all devoting full articles to him, and then there's a great deal more press that includes descriptions of his work over many years. Sustained, significant coverage, passes GNG. Innisfree987 ( talk) 02:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Weak Delete I don't believe a person's obituary notices in newspapers serve as notability. Power~enwiki ( talk) 06:39, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- That would be true of paid notices, but these are news stories about his death which is a different thing, and contain substantial detail as well as indications that he has been covered in much more detail in the past. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 08:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Big Keep: Richard Pennington, when he was the police superintendent in Atlanta and New Orleans, was considered one of the most prominent police chiefs in the country. In New Orleans he is widely regarded as the greatest police chief in modern New Orleans history, probably the best chief in the city's history--that is the overriding consensus. Under his six year watch in New Orleans, the murder rate dropped 50%(!). His methods revolutionized the department with the introduction of COMSTAT and other innovations, and he rooted out corruption that had plagued the depatment before he came. There plenty of other articles at Wikipedia about police chiefs from other cities who are less notable. Admittedly this article is lousy and needs much better coverage and sources--and you can find a ton of good sources. Anyone can go to the archives NOLA.com and find numerous Times-Picayune articles on him, or go to the Atlanta Constitution and find the same. Today his death was reported as the top story at the top of the front page (with a big headline) in the printed version of the New Orleans Advocate--about a police chief that has been gone for over 15 years(!). That must mean something. Keep the article. In a few weeks when I get some time, I'd like to do an expansion on it--I'm confident that we could get it to GA. Don't delete it. Garagepunk66 ( talk) 13:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Garagepunk66 ( talk) 16:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Keep - Very notable it just needs links, somebody lay them down-- Stop deleting and start completing. Masterknighted ( talk) 15:23, 5 May 2017 (UTC) Keep - His involvement in the Atlanta gay raids was considered a civil rights issue for the LGBT community. But this article needs expansion BADLY!! 205.144.213.202 ( talk) 19:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Full obits in three reliable sources is plenty enough to pass WP:GNG. Edwardx ( talk) 19:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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