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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Prod was removed, I don't see how this player passes WP:NFOOTBALL or WP:GNG despite the claim on the talk page. Govvy ( talk) 20:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep - I think the Ecuadorian league is weird case where it's not listed as fully pro on WP:FOOTY, so you have to decide on WP:GNG to decide if you keep the page or not. However, this particular footballer has played in the Copa Libertadores and has played for the biggest Ecuadorian teams so probably enough to keep. Maybe could be fixed up a bit.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 15:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 19:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The ecuatorial league is a professional league, so the subject does qualify for WP:NFOOTBALL. Such league is much more important and professional than Brasileiro Serie C, for example. Finally, WP:NFOOTY is irrelevant here, and has the same relevance as an WP:ESSAY as wikiprojects do not get to decide things alone. Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 22:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Question Have you actually read through NFooty and GNG? Also there is no indication that Ecuadorian league is fully-professional.
Govvy (
talk)
22:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- For PROD'ing such an article, if someone did not read the guidelines, I'd say it was you. Feel invited to review WP:PROD too. Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 01:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've been around for years, now I think you're just being rude. :/ Govvy ( talk) 08:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Your question was rude to begin with. I made a pretty honest vote, to which I am asked "have you even read the guidelines?". Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 08:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I asked you a simple yes or no question. I consider you new here so I am trying to give you a chance, but to me you are starting to act like you've been around for years and your account isn't that old in my opinion. You voted to delete another article which is really a keep and you vote keep for this article which lacks WP:SIGCOV. So please don't play people for falls they don't like that. You are getting dangerously close to smelling like a WP:DUCK. Govvy ( talk) 08:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- This discussion crossed the limits of the AfD. I'm answering you on your talk page. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 16:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I see User:Govvy blanked the comment on their talk page; needless to say, Govvy's comment was rude ... the word "actually" didn't need to be there, and the use of, was unnecessary - not sure what else is going on, but let's be real here for once. Nfitz ( talk) 02:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Question Have you actually read through NFooty and GNG? Also there is no indication that Ecuadorian league is fully-professional.
Govvy (
talk)
22:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - if Ecuador's Barcelona is a fully pro club then this player does meet NFOOTY based on the fact that they have played in Copa Libertadores matches against Botafogo, Estudiantes etc. Spiderone 10:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: If Barcelona SC can be proven as fully-professional then I am okay to change my vote but until then I think this should be deleted. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 09:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - to suggest that the top Ecuadorian league isn't fully professional is laughable. It's not listed on WP:FPL because of a lack of sources - but simply common sense says that teams in a relatively wealthy country in front of tens of thousands of people are fully-professional. No one has ever found any sources saying they aren't fully-professional either! And not surprisingly, they meet WP:GNG, as you'd expect for a player with years of experience in fully-professional leagues, see one, two, three, four. Nfitz ( talk) 02:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - The Ecuador's professional league soccer was created on 20 April 2018, according to LigaPro, and the first two divisions (Serie A and Serie B) are managed by it. Tárik ( talk) 16:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - GNG clearly met as evidenced by Nfitz. Article creator Tárik showing evidence that strongly suggests we're talking about a fully pro league anyway Spiderone 16:53, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep scrapes though GNG as per Nfitz. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 16:57, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep, it probably looks like it's as "fully professional" as many other leagues accepted as that. Geschichte ( talk) 07:05, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:38, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Prod was removed, I don't see how this player passes WP:NFOOTBALL or WP:GNG despite the claim on the talk page. Govvy ( talk) 20:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Govvy ( talk) 20:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Govvy ( talk) 20:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Govvy ( talk) 20:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ecuador-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - I think the Ecuadorian league is weird case where it's not listed as fully pro on WP:FOOTY, so you have to decide on WP:GNG to decide if you keep the page or not. However, this particular footballer has played in the Copa Libertadores and has played for the biggest Ecuadorian teams so probably enough to keep. Maybe could be fixed up a bit.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 15:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 19:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The ecuatorial league is a professional league, so the subject does qualify for WP:NFOOTBALL. Such league is much more important and professional than Brasileiro Serie C, for example. Finally, WP:NFOOTY is irrelevant here, and has the same relevance as an WP:ESSAY as wikiprojects do not get to decide things alone. Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 22:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Question Have you actually read through NFooty and GNG? Also there is no indication that Ecuadorian league is fully-professional.
Govvy (
talk)
22:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- For PROD'ing such an article, if someone did not read the guidelines, I'd say it was you. Feel invited to review WP:PROD too. Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 01:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've been around for years, now I think you're just being rude. :/ Govvy ( talk) 08:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Your question was rude to begin with. I made a pretty honest vote, to which I am asked "have you even read the guidelines?". Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 08:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I asked you a simple yes or no question. I consider you new here so I am trying to give you a chance, but to me you are starting to act like you've been around for years and your account isn't that old in my opinion. You voted to delete another article which is really a keep and you vote keep for this article which lacks WP:SIGCOV. So please don't play people for falls they don't like that. You are getting dangerously close to smelling like a WP:DUCK. Govvy ( talk) 08:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- This discussion crossed the limits of the AfD. I'm answering you on your talk page. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 16:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- I see User:Govvy blanked the comment on their talk page; needless to say, Govvy's comment was rude ... the word "actually" didn't need to be there, and the use of, was unnecessary - not sure what else is going on, but let's be real here for once. Nfitz ( talk) 02:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Question Have you actually read through NFooty and GNG? Also there is no indication that Ecuadorian league is fully-professional.
Govvy (
talk)
22:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - if Ecuador's Barcelona is a fully pro club then this player does meet NFOOTY based on the fact that they have played in Copa Libertadores matches against Botafogo, Estudiantes etc. Spiderone 10:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: If Barcelona SC can be proven as fully-professional then I am okay to change my vote but until then I think this should be deleted. -- ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 09:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - to suggest that the top Ecuadorian league isn't fully professional is laughable. It's not listed on WP:FPL because of a lack of sources - but simply common sense says that teams in a relatively wealthy country in front of tens of thousands of people are fully-professional. No one has ever found any sources saying they aren't fully-professional either! And not surprisingly, they meet WP:GNG, as you'd expect for a player with years of experience in fully-professional leagues, see one, two, three, four. Nfitz ( talk) 02:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - The Ecuador's professional league soccer was created on 20 April 2018, according to LigaPro, and the first two divisions (Serie A and Serie B) are managed by it. Tárik ( talk) 16:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - GNG clearly met as evidenced by Nfitz. Article creator Tárik showing evidence that strongly suggests we're talking about a fully pro league anyway Spiderone 16:53, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 22:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 22:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep scrapes though GNG as per Nfitz. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 16:57, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 20:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 20:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, it probably looks like it's as "fully professional" as many other leagues accepted as that. Geschichte ( talk) 07:05, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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