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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 14:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Reid Hazelton
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Racing driver that has not competed in a professional race. All citations are race results except one interview with a speciality website that mostly discusses semi-pro racing. Fails WP:NMOTORSPORTS and WP:GNG. Drdisque ( talk) 02:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete - the entire article is basically unverified editorial sourced to race results. That's not how Wikipedia works. If we actually included those facts that can be verified by those sources the resulting article would violate WP:NOTSTATS. There are whole sections ("Kautz's Honda power and superior aerodynamics seem to have been the deciding factor up the hill en route to the checkered flag") which are pure original research. There are a couple of instances of coverage (like this and this) but they aren't exactly what we would consider reliable sources - news reports from various races. I can't see how the subject passes WP:GNG. Stalwart 111 07:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - I created this article because he is A REAL PROFESSIONAL. HE GETS PAID. PERIOD. In motorsport, to which I have been covering for over 35 years, 90% of drivers PAY to race. Hazelton has been paid by Carbir motorsport from what the reports detail. Where you race, and what series, does not make you a professional. If you PAY to race in the Indy 500, you are not professional. You are an amateur renting a car and a team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RacerReporter1971 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Being a professional doesn't automatically make him notable. The series he drives in isn't professional and his relationship with his team has no impact on his notability. The only way he is going to be considered notable here, as I see it, would be if he passes WP:GNG. Do you have examples of "significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources"? Stalwart 111 05:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:GNG. Being a professional, in any field, doesn't give automatic notability. 204.126.132.231 ( talk) 15:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 14:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Reid Hazelton
- Reid Hazelton ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Racing driver that has not competed in a professional race. All citations are race results except one interview with a speciality website that mostly discusses semi-pro racing. Fails WP:NMOTORSPORTS and WP:GNG. Drdisque ( talk) 02:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 06:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - the entire article is basically unverified editorial sourced to race results. That's not how Wikipedia works. If we actually included those facts that can be verified by those sources the resulting article would violate WP:NOTSTATS. There are whole sections ("Kautz's Honda power and superior aerodynamics seem to have been the deciding factor up the hill en route to the checkered flag") which are pure original research. There are a couple of instances of coverage (like this and this) but they aren't exactly what we would consider reliable sources - news reports from various races. I can't see how the subject passes WP:GNG. Stalwart 111 07:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - I created this article because he is A REAL PROFESSIONAL. HE GETS PAID. PERIOD. In motorsport, to which I have been covering for over 35 years, 90% of drivers PAY to race. Hazelton has been paid by Carbir motorsport from what the reports detail. Where you race, and what series, does not make you a professional. If you PAY to race in the Indy 500, you are not professional. You are an amateur renting a car and a team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RacerReporter1971 ( talk • contribs) 02:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Being a professional doesn't automatically make him notable. The series he drives in isn't professional and his relationship with his team has no impact on his notability. The only way he is going to be considered notable here, as I see it, would be if he passes WP:GNG. Do you have examples of "significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources"? Stalwart 111 05:31, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG. Being a professional, in any field, doesn't give automatic notability. 204.126.132.231 ( talk) 15:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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