The result was delete. With all respect to the subject of the article, what is needed is verifiability for the claims made at this AfD, which are still lacking. If a user requests I will be happy to copy the current text over to userspace so that the article might be improved to eventually reach standards. From the sources I could get at, coverage appeared trivial. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk) 02:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC) reply
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I must first declare that I have been doing my best to assist the user who is the subject of this article to prune self puffery out of it. The more I have done this the more I have formed the view that the gentlemen is not notable, and that this article should not be included here.
I've based this on a very extensive study of the references and on using Google to search for "Raymond Aaron". Of the references the one with most appeal is the Canadian Who's Who. But this follows the A&C Black model (0.9 probability) of publishing self submitted material. That means it does not pass WP:RS and cannot verify any notability.
Of the other references, it is a fact that the books have been published. I have found them in Amazon listings where available. But the authorship or co-authorship of a book is not of itself sufficient to confer notability.
It is a cited fact that Mr Aaron took part in a polar race. It is cited from the race's own web site.
All in all I see this as a borderline article and I am coming down on the side of deletion because I cannot find any true notability. It's the wrong side of the borderline. That's disappointing, because I expected to find notability and verifiability. So I feel that the community should now have a chance to make a decision by consensus. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 15:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Raymondaaron ( talk) 19:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Raymond Aaron reply
The result was delete. With all respect to the subject of the article, what is needed is verifiability for the claims made at this AfD, which are still lacking. If a user requests I will be happy to copy the current text over to userspace so that the article might be improved to eventually reach standards. From the sources I could get at, coverage appeared trivial. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk) 02:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC) reply
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I must first declare that I have been doing my best to assist the user who is the subject of this article to prune self puffery out of it. The more I have done this the more I have formed the view that the gentlemen is not notable, and that this article should not be included here.
I've based this on a very extensive study of the references and on using Google to search for "Raymond Aaron". Of the references the one with most appeal is the Canadian Who's Who. But this follows the A&C Black model (0.9 probability) of publishing self submitted material. That means it does not pass WP:RS and cannot verify any notability.
Of the other references, it is a fact that the books have been published. I have found them in Amazon listings where available. But the authorship or co-authorship of a book is not of itself sufficient to confer notability.
It is a cited fact that Mr Aaron took part in a polar race. It is cited from the race's own web site.
All in all I see this as a borderline article and I am coming down on the side of deletion because I cannot find any true notability. It's the wrong side of the borderline. That's disappointing, because I expected to find notability and verifiability. So I feel that the community should now have a chance to make a decision by consensus. Fiddle Faddle ( talk) 15:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Raymondaaron ( talk) 19:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Raymond Aaron reply