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The result was delete. Neither of the editors who asserted this is notable provided any cogent arguments to back that up. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:32, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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Not notable. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Lacks full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. Award is not major, one of a plethora given out at a small festival. duffbeerforme ( talk) 04:19, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep, just as was decided at the last AFD... while its notability is not extreme, it is just notable enough. Schmidt, Michael Q. 10:37, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- On that claim to notability, to quote another "winner" of an award from that disreputable festival "it's only the ignorant who would be impressed by that." [1]. New York International Independent Film and Video Festival awards are not "a major award" WP:NFILM. duffbeerforme ( talk) 12:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for sharing filmmaker Bill Johns' disgruntled non-RS personal opinion. The point of award recognition for Wikipedia is less about the award itself and more that receiving an award offers an inference that the receiving of one may be accompanied by media coverage, and that the receiving a (non-defined) major is simply more likely to be accompanied by press coverage, and the receiving of a (non-defined) minor is somewhat less likely. Pretty much, WP:NF is generally determined by coverage or a reasonable expectation that in 2003 it existed. Kind of simply, really. Thanks. Schmidt, Michael Q. 16:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
- Disgruntled or honest? "receiving an award offers an inference that the receiving of one may be accompanied by media coverage". Receiving a major award is more than likely going to receive coverage. That's why NFILMS has major awards in there. The same is not true for many awards. Hyper local festivals, award farms, pay for play awards often get ignored by the media for good reason. Their is no presumption of coverage for so many of the plethora of awards out there. Kind of simple, really. As for your choice to red link Mr. Johns to show he is not notable to lessen his opinion. It counters your argument instead of backing it. You're appear right in his appearance of non notability. He has only won the same minor award as this film did. You're saying he is not notable says the film is not notable. duffbeerforme ( talk) 11:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- (Non-)Notability is not inherited. Because a filmmaker isn't notable doesn't automatically mean their film isn't, or vice versa - nevermind a different, unrelated film. LjL ( talk) 22:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom Nightscream ( talk) 12:16, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep this article needs expanding not deleting 46.208.73.116 ( talk) 21:36, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - the award from a minor, somewhat contentious defunct festival, where the entries are not nominated, but paid for, doesn't appear to pass WP:NFILM. Does not appear to pass WP:GNG either, as News and Books turned up only a hit to the imdb page, Newspapers, Highbeam and Scholar turned up 0. Onel5969 TT me 15:45, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
- Delete, or possibly Merge to Graig Weich; note that the writers of that article did not see fit to mention this film in the prose section of the article, although they did list the award. The award was not "major" as required by WP:NFILM; it was from the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival, a short-lived, not particularly respected festival, which reportedly accepted almost every film that paid the entry fee. More hype: the article misleadingly states that the film "won the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival"; it actually won the award for Best Short Film. The lack of media coverage for this film only emphasizes the minor nature of the award - and the non-notability of this film. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Neither of the editors who asserted this is notable provided any cogent arguments to back that up. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:32, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Ravedactyl: Project Evolution
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Not notable. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Lacks full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. Award is not major, one of a plethora given out at a small festival. duffbeerforme ( talk) 04:19, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Human3015 TALK 07:56, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Human3015 TALK 07:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, just as was decided at the last AFD... while its notability is not extreme, it is just notable enough. Schmidt, Michael Q. 10:37, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- On that claim to notability, to quote another "winner" of an award from that disreputable festival "it's only the ignorant who would be impressed by that." [1]. New York International Independent Film and Video Festival awards are not "a major award" WP:NFILM. duffbeerforme ( talk) 12:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for sharing filmmaker Bill Johns' disgruntled non-RS personal opinion. The point of award recognition for Wikipedia is less about the award itself and more that receiving an award offers an inference that the receiving of one may be accompanied by media coverage, and that the receiving a (non-defined) major is simply more likely to be accompanied by press coverage, and the receiving of a (non-defined) minor is somewhat less likely. Pretty much, WP:NF is generally determined by coverage or a reasonable expectation that in 2003 it existed. Kind of simply, really. Thanks. Schmidt, Michael Q. 16:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
- Disgruntled or honest? "receiving an award offers an inference that the receiving of one may be accompanied by media coverage". Receiving a major award is more than likely going to receive coverage. That's why NFILMS has major awards in there. The same is not true for many awards. Hyper local festivals, award farms, pay for play awards often get ignored by the media for good reason. Their is no presumption of coverage for so many of the plethora of awards out there. Kind of simple, really. As for your choice to red link Mr. Johns to show he is not notable to lessen his opinion. It counters your argument instead of backing it. You're appear right in his appearance of non notability. He has only won the same minor award as this film did. You're saying he is not notable says the film is not notable. duffbeerforme ( talk) 11:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- (Non-)Notability is not inherited. Because a filmmaker isn't notable doesn't automatically mean their film isn't, or vice versa - nevermind a different, unrelated film. LjL ( talk) 22:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom Nightscream ( talk) 12:16, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep this article needs expanding not deleting 46.208.73.116 ( talk) 21:36, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete - the award from a minor, somewhat contentious defunct festival, where the entries are not nominated, but paid for, doesn't appear to pass WP:NFILM. Does not appear to pass WP:GNG either, as News and Books turned up only a hit to the imdb page, Newspapers, Highbeam and Scholar turned up 0. Onel5969 TT me 15:45, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
- Delete, or possibly Merge to Graig Weich; note that the writers of that article did not see fit to mention this film in the prose section of the article, although they did list the award. The award was not "major" as required by WP:NFILM; it was from the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival, a short-lived, not particularly respected festival, which reportedly accepted almost every film that paid the entry fee. More hype: the article misleadingly states that the film "won the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival"; it actually won the award for Best Short Film. The lack of media coverage for this film only emphasizes the minor nature of the award - and the non-notability of this film. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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