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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 14:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh

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Declined prod. Unreferenced for 17 years and fails GNG. Would reconsider if someone found coverage in Hindi or Marathi. LibStar ( talk) 05:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Maharashtra. LibStar ( talk) 05:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - first of all, what WP:BEFORE was performed here? There is certainly sufficient material available in English to establish notability. Take for example,
    • Hindustan Times, "Apart from a rise in wages, the union also demanded the scrapping of the Bombay Industrial Relations Act, a law that allowed only one trade union – Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) – to function. For long, industrial workers had accused RMMS of being hand in glove with owners. "
    • Economic and Political Weekly, "...Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), which has enjoyed the right of being the sole bargaining agent for all textile workers in Bombay, [...]"
    • Indian Express, "Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS),the recognised union of mill workers."
    • The Western Political Quarterly (1958) "...governments for their existence. The Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh. (RMMS) of Bombay City serves as the major exception to this dual classification and thus constitutes a third type of textile union . In comparison with the “ weak areas " the RMMS is thoroughly entrenched in its legal "representative " status and enjoys a significant degree of independence from political ties ."
    • Economic Times, "The Hindoostan Spinning and Weaving Mills cleared the last tranche of its dues amounting to Rs 3 crore payable to workers belonging to the company’s Mahalaxmi unit. The mill has 3 units in Mumbai at Mahalaxmi, Dadar and Prabhadevi. Following an agreement signed with the official union the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) in ‘02, around 2,000 workers opted for VRS."
    • India Today, "But Salunke is steadfast in his support for firebrand union leader Datta Samant, the one man most responsible for the unprecedented strike. "We are prepared to go back to work even if our monetary demands are not conceded," he says. "But the Government must recognise Samant's union as the legitimate one, and kick the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) out of our lives."
    • DNA, "The Congress party had nurtured its “chamcha” union, the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), and mill owners colluded with it to engineer ... [...] the Khatau saga that had “all the ingredients of a ‘Mollywood’ blockbuster, replete with guns, gangland killings and the subversion of unions."
    • Rediff, "In November 2000, a final agreement on a voluntary retirement scheme was arrived at between the Indian National Trade Unions Congress-affiliated Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh and the managements of the Standard Mill (Prabhadevi) and New China Mill (Sewri). Naik and 3,550 others took VRS but got the money only after two years"
    • Hindustan Times, "Ahir, who began his career as a trade union leader, once led the powerful Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), the only recognised union of ..."
    • Economic Times, "While the officially-recognised Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) is supporting the land development plans, the Left-leaning unions have ..."
    • The Indian Labour Year Book (1948), ""The Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh, Bombay, handled 218 cases during the year 1948 and realised Rs. 90,911 as compensation. Both the unions have opened special branches to attend all matters relating the claims and to render assistance to all workers whether members of the Union or not", p. 347 indicates a membership of 20,462.
    • The Politics of Labor in a Global Age: Continuity and Change in Late, "Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (National Mill Workers' Union). Under the corporatist Bombay Industrial Relations Act of 1946, a single trade union is ..."
    • Outcaste Bombay: City Making and the Politics of the Poor, "... Bombay Industrial Dispute Act of 1946. The RMMS thus became an important presence in the lives of the workers by the end of the 1940s."
    • The Power of Place: Contentious Politics in Twentieth-Century Shanghai and Bombay, "... Bombay shut down and 250,000 workers (full-time and badli) went out on strike. The Maharashtra government declared the strike illegal. Labor officials and mill owners refused to discuss terms with any union other than the RMMS."
    • Organising Labour in Globalising Asia, "... RMMS is the most extreme example of this phenomenon in Bombay.7 The power of the RMMS was first created by recognition under the Bombay Industrial Relations Act, but was boosted by legislation restricting the closure of mills that ..."
    • The Emergence of an Industrial Labor Force in India, "... RMMS is shaped by its legal status under the Bombay Industrial Relations Act ( 1946 ) . The view is frequently put forth by government , labor , and management officials in Bombay that the RMMS would even collapse without this ..."
    • A Study of the Labor Movement and Industrial Relations in the Cotton Textile Industry in Bombay, India, "... ( R. M. M. S. ) , Bombay -- the name the organization bears today . The Sangh started a determined effort to remove the Red Flag organization from its position of leader of the Bombay textile workers . Its prestige was greatly enhanced by ..."
    • Bombay Brokers, "... Bombay mill workers to lead them in a conflict between the Bombay Millowners Association and the union: the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), which had represented the mill workers for decades. This led to a complete shutdown of the ..."
    • Workers Education in Asia, "THE WORKERS ' EDUCATION ACTIVITIES OF THE RASHTRIYA MILL MAZDOOR SANGH ( RMMS ) , BOMBAY ( INTUC ) ( a ) Aims and objectives of workers ' education pogrammes for 130,000 members of RMMS ( INTUC ) are as follows : ( i ) To prepare ..."
    • India Today, "... ( RMMS ) , which repre- sents the city's over one- lakh textile mill workers ... "
    • Labour and Unions in Asia and Africa: Contemporary Issues, "discrimination against non-RMMS workers , and arbitrary dismissals . It is these phenomena that gave ... RMMS began to lose its autocratic control over the workers . The alliance between ..."
    • Also here on a scheme for illegal resale of subsidized apartments... perhaps can explain adverts like this one?
  • All, in all, I think there is sufficient material available to conclude that RMMS is a notable organization and that there is material for the sourcing and expansion of the article. -- Soman ( talk) 12:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Mr. Soman's sources. The article must be expanded though, it contains nothing. MrMkG ( talk) 15:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I would have draftified it rather than taking it to Afd. GrabUp - Talk 15:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Grabup: That's not an option for articles older than 90 days without consensus from an AfD discussion. Hey man im josh ( talk) 19:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Hey man im josh, Thanks for the information. GrabUp - Talk 01:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 14:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh

Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Declined prod. Unreferenced for 17 years and fails GNG. Would reconsider if someone found coverage in Hindi or Marathi. LibStar ( talk) 05:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Maharashtra. LibStar ( talk) 05:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - first of all, what WP:BEFORE was performed here? There is certainly sufficient material available in English to establish notability. Take for example,
    • Hindustan Times, "Apart from a rise in wages, the union also demanded the scrapping of the Bombay Industrial Relations Act, a law that allowed only one trade union – Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) – to function. For long, industrial workers had accused RMMS of being hand in glove with owners. "
    • Economic and Political Weekly, "...Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), which has enjoyed the right of being the sole bargaining agent for all textile workers in Bombay, [...]"
    • Indian Express, "Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS),the recognised union of mill workers."
    • The Western Political Quarterly (1958) "...governments for their existence. The Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh. (RMMS) of Bombay City serves as the major exception to this dual classification and thus constitutes a third type of textile union . In comparison with the “ weak areas " the RMMS is thoroughly entrenched in its legal "representative " status and enjoys a significant degree of independence from political ties ."
    • Economic Times, "The Hindoostan Spinning and Weaving Mills cleared the last tranche of its dues amounting to Rs 3 crore payable to workers belonging to the company’s Mahalaxmi unit. The mill has 3 units in Mumbai at Mahalaxmi, Dadar and Prabhadevi. Following an agreement signed with the official union the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) in ‘02, around 2,000 workers opted for VRS."
    • India Today, "But Salunke is steadfast in his support for firebrand union leader Datta Samant, the one man most responsible for the unprecedented strike. "We are prepared to go back to work even if our monetary demands are not conceded," he says. "But the Government must recognise Samant's union as the legitimate one, and kick the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) out of our lives."
    • DNA, "The Congress party had nurtured its “chamcha” union, the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), and mill owners colluded with it to engineer ... [...] the Khatau saga that had “all the ingredients of a ‘Mollywood’ blockbuster, replete with guns, gangland killings and the subversion of unions."
    • Rediff, "In November 2000, a final agreement on a voluntary retirement scheme was arrived at between the Indian National Trade Unions Congress-affiliated Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh and the managements of the Standard Mill (Prabhadevi) and New China Mill (Sewri). Naik and 3,550 others took VRS but got the money only after two years"
    • Hindustan Times, "Ahir, who began his career as a trade union leader, once led the powerful Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), the only recognised union of ..."
    • Economic Times, "While the officially-recognised Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS) is supporting the land development plans, the Left-leaning unions have ..."
    • The Indian Labour Year Book (1948), ""The Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh, Bombay, handled 218 cases during the year 1948 and realised Rs. 90,911 as compensation. Both the unions have opened special branches to attend all matters relating the claims and to render assistance to all workers whether members of the Union or not", p. 347 indicates a membership of 20,462.
    • The Politics of Labor in a Global Age: Continuity and Change in Late, "Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (National Mill Workers' Union). Under the corporatist Bombay Industrial Relations Act of 1946, a single trade union is ..."
    • Outcaste Bombay: City Making and the Politics of the Poor, "... Bombay Industrial Dispute Act of 1946. The RMMS thus became an important presence in the lives of the workers by the end of the 1940s."
    • The Power of Place: Contentious Politics in Twentieth-Century Shanghai and Bombay, "... Bombay shut down and 250,000 workers (full-time and badli) went out on strike. The Maharashtra government declared the strike illegal. Labor officials and mill owners refused to discuss terms with any union other than the RMMS."
    • Organising Labour in Globalising Asia, "... RMMS is the most extreme example of this phenomenon in Bombay.7 The power of the RMMS was first created by recognition under the Bombay Industrial Relations Act, but was boosted by legislation restricting the closure of mills that ..."
    • The Emergence of an Industrial Labor Force in India, "... RMMS is shaped by its legal status under the Bombay Industrial Relations Act ( 1946 ) . The view is frequently put forth by government , labor , and management officials in Bombay that the RMMS would even collapse without this ..."
    • A Study of the Labor Movement and Industrial Relations in the Cotton Textile Industry in Bombay, India, "... ( R. M. M. S. ) , Bombay -- the name the organization bears today . The Sangh started a determined effort to remove the Red Flag organization from its position of leader of the Bombay textile workers . Its prestige was greatly enhanced by ..."
    • Bombay Brokers, "... Bombay mill workers to lead them in a conflict between the Bombay Millowners Association and the union: the Rashtriya Mill Mazdoor Sangh (RMMS), which had represented the mill workers for decades. This led to a complete shutdown of the ..."
    • Workers Education in Asia, "THE WORKERS ' EDUCATION ACTIVITIES OF THE RASHTRIYA MILL MAZDOOR SANGH ( RMMS ) , BOMBAY ( INTUC ) ( a ) Aims and objectives of workers ' education pogrammes for 130,000 members of RMMS ( INTUC ) are as follows : ( i ) To prepare ..."
    • India Today, "... ( RMMS ) , which repre- sents the city's over one- lakh textile mill workers ... "
    • Labour and Unions in Asia and Africa: Contemporary Issues, "discrimination against non-RMMS workers , and arbitrary dismissals . It is these phenomena that gave ... RMMS began to lose its autocratic control over the workers . The alliance between ..."
    • Also here on a scheme for illegal resale of subsidized apartments... perhaps can explain adverts like this one?
  • All, in all, I think there is sufficient material available to conclude that RMMS is a notable organization and that there is material for the sourcing and expansion of the article. -- Soman ( talk) 12:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Mr. Soman's sources. The article must be expanded though, it contains nothing. MrMkG ( talk) 15:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I would have draftified it rather than taking it to Afd. GrabUp - Talk 15:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Grabup: That's not an option for articles older than 90 days without consensus from an AfD discussion. Hey man im josh ( talk) 19:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC) reply
    @ Hey man im josh, Thanks for the information. GrabUp - Talk 01:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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