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The result was keep. No consensus to delete this article, however, still an open debate on whether it should be named after the person or the event that can be decided outside of AfD. (non-admin closure) Britishfinance ( talk) 14:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Raphael Gray
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Fails WP:BLP1E and WP:BLPNAME Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep Wp:crime no.2 - certainly something different by sending bill Gates stuff bought from his card. Meets WP:BLPcrime. Also enough coverage in Telegraph, BBC, the guardian, a feature on Frontline on PBS, included in several books and crime discussed in US Congress discussions about improving cyber security. Also unusual as was found guilty but did not get jailed. User:Davidstewartharvey
- Keep. Half a dozen high-profile notable interviews: PBS did an interview. BBC has an article. The Independent has an article. The Advocate. The Guardian. Webster New World Hacker's Dictionary. Joint Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit and the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations of the Committee on Financial Services. Implementing Homeland Security for Enterprise IT. The event is notable and remarkable: I'd agree with "rename", but I'm not sure what we'd rename it to. ~a ( user • talk • contribs) 18:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The time period of reference has an extreme disconnect between what the FBI were aware of being involved in and what was capable. Here is an example (lousy article rework: https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/secrets-former-credit-card-thief-dan-defelippi-1282/ ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purduephotog ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment people are saying that this it notable, and I agree that the hacks themselves pass the GNG however, WP:BLP states:
Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met
- If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.
- If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article.
- The event is not significant (I think that this event is significant so this does not apply)
In that case, I think reformulating this article to refer to the event rather than to a low profile individual who hasn't been in the news for two decades would be better. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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- I think changing the title to Curador the name he made the hacks under, would be better.
- If changing title what about The Hacking by Curador or Raphael Gray? More self explanatory and makes the page more about the incident?
User:Davidstewartharvey
- What about "Curador hacking incident"?
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 21:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- works for me. User:Davidstewartharvey
- What about "Curador hacking incident"?
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 21:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- If changing title what about The Hacking by Curador or Raphael Gray? More self explanatory and makes the page more about the incident?
User:Davidstewartharvey
- I think changing the title to Curador the name he made the hacks under, would be better.
- Comment. FYI, this article was submitted to reddit and is currently one of the top posts: [1]. Jason McHuff ( talk) 22:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. No consensus to delete this article, however, still an open debate on whether it should be named after the person or the event that can be decided outside of AfD. (non-admin closure) Britishfinance ( talk) 14:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Raphael Gray
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Fails WP:BLP1E and WP:BLPNAME Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep Wp:crime no.2 - certainly something different by sending bill Gates stuff bought from his card. Meets WP:BLPcrime. Also enough coverage in Telegraph, BBC, the guardian, a feature on Frontline on PBS, included in several books and crime discussed in US Congress discussions about improving cyber security. Also unusual as was found guilty but did not get jailed. User:Davidstewartharvey
- Keep. Half a dozen high-profile notable interviews: PBS did an interview. BBC has an article. The Independent has an article. The Advocate. The Guardian. Webster New World Hacker's Dictionary. Joint Hearing Before the Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit and the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations of the Committee on Financial Services. Implementing Homeland Security for Enterprise IT. The event is notable and remarkable: I'd agree with "rename", but I'm not sure what we'd rename it to. ~a ( user • talk • contribs) 18:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The time period of reference has an extreme disconnect between what the FBI were aware of being involved in and what was capable. Here is an example (lousy article rework: https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/secrets-former-credit-card-thief-dan-defelippi-1282/ ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purduephotog ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment people are saying that this it notable, and I agree that the hacks themselves pass the GNG however, WP:BLP states:
Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met
- If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.
- If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article.
- The event is not significant (I think that this event is significant so this does not apply)
In that case, I think reformulating this article to refer to the event rather than to a low profile individual who hasn't been in the news for two decades would be better. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 18:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
-
- I think changing the title to Curador the name he made the hacks under, would be better.
- If changing title what about The Hacking by Curador or Raphael Gray? More self explanatory and makes the page more about the incident?
User:Davidstewartharvey
- What about "Curador hacking incident"?
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 21:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- works for me. User:Davidstewartharvey
- What about "Curador hacking incident"?
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 21:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- If changing title what about The Hacking by Curador or Raphael Gray? More self explanatory and makes the page more about the incident?
User:Davidstewartharvey
- I think changing the title to Curador the name he made the hacks under, would be better.
- Comment. FYI, this article was submitted to reddit and is currently one of the top posts: [1]. Jason McHuff ( talk) 22:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.