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The result was delete. Tone 09:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Prince Alexander of Hesse and by Rhine (1933–1937) and Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine
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These are somewhat morbid examples of genealogical entries. The subjects were the children of public figures who died in an accident aged 4 and 6, respectively. There is no significant coverage as required by WP:BASIC and WP:GNG nor can there realistically be any: they are known exclusively for the accident ( WP:BLP1E) and their relationship to adult figures ( WP:INVALIDBIO). The content of the articles is identical, and they are also very similar to the recently deleted article about their likewise short-lived sister. All the information about their lives and deaths are already found in the articles about their parents, who died with them, and that should suffice. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete he is a nephew of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh how ever theres nothing else to suggest notability Devokewater @ 14:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Being someone's 4-year-old nephew does not suggest any notability at all, hence WP:INVALIDBIO. Surtsicna ( talk) 15:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable 4-year-old killed in a plane crash. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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- @ Cyberpower678:: The AfD can be processed as normal (it will be discussed by Wikipedians, and maybe the article will be deleted by an admin), as it is correctly transcluded onto the daily log page. I assume your message means it can't be automatically added to User:Cyberbot I/Current AfD's, but that is not a core function of AfD, and not a good reason to put a warning message here that could be read as "this AfD won't be closed and the article won't be deleted unless the header is edited in certain ways". Could you amend your message please? Thank you, — Kusma ( t· c) 20:27, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, main claim of notability is involvement in the plane crash, and their unnamed newborn sibling seems to have a more prominent role in that. — Kusma ( t· c) 20:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, non-notable. Nika2020 ( talk) 21:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect both to their father, Georg Donatus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse. A couple of months ago, there was a deletion discussion for their younger sister; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princess Johanna of Hesse and by Rhine, who was not on the plane that crashed, but died in childhood due to meningitis. The result of that discussion was also to redirect. Due to these boys' short lives, there is nothing to say about them that wouldn't be covered in the article about one of their parents. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable -- Devokewater @ 23:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom,non notable people. Smeat75 ( talk) 00:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and yes redirect to the father. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 01:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - As of Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine his notability is mentioned in the article "He was the first great-great-great-grandchild of Queen Victoria". Only one person can be this, and as it is it happens to be Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine. And for this nomination in general it's improper, since it suggests "The content of the articles is identical" which they are not. Therefore this is from the beginning a biased and improper nomination. Oleryhlolsson ( talk) 04:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's just genealogical trivia. He has not received significant coverage for being anyone's "first great-great-great-grandchild". Surtsicna ( talk) 11:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: The nom covered this very well. The topic fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. There are no reliable sources independent of the subject that cover anything directly and indepth about this individual because they have done absolutely nothing notable. Being related to a public figure is not notable WP:INVALIDBIO WP:NOTINHERITED. Wikipedia is WP:NOTGENEALOGY of non-notable members in royal families.   // Timothy :: talk 04:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to his father's article. I would not oppose a merger to his father's article, but his death has been extensively covered in books and in The Crown. Bearian ( talk) 23:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 09:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Prince Alexander of Hesse and by Rhine (1933–1937) and Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine
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These are somewhat morbid examples of genealogical entries. The subjects were the children of public figures who died in an accident aged 4 and 6, respectively. There is no significant coverage as required by WP:BASIC and WP:GNG nor can there realistically be any: they are known exclusively for the accident ( WP:BLP1E) and their relationship to adult figures ( WP:INVALIDBIO). The content of the articles is identical, and they are also very similar to the recently deleted article about their likewise short-lived sister. All the information about their lives and deaths are already found in the articles about their parents, who died with them, and that should suffice. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Surtsicna ( talk) 14:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete he is a nephew of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh how ever theres nothing else to suggest notability Devokewater @ 14:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Being someone's 4-year-old nephew does not suggest any notability at all, hence WP:INVALIDBIO. Surtsicna ( talk) 15:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable 4-year-old killed in a plane crash. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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19:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- @ Cyberpower678:: The AfD can be processed as normal (it will be discussed by Wikipedians, and maybe the article will be deleted by an admin), as it is correctly transcluded onto the daily log page. I assume your message means it can't be automatically added to User:Cyberbot I/Current AfD's, but that is not a core function of AfD, and not a good reason to put a warning message here that could be read as "this AfD won't be closed and the article won't be deleted unless the header is edited in certain ways". Could you amend your message please? Thank you, — Kusma ( t· c) 20:27, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, main claim of notability is involvement in the plane crash, and their unnamed newborn sibling seems to have a more prominent role in that. — Kusma ( t· c) 20:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, non-notable. Nika2020 ( talk) 21:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect both to their father, Georg Donatus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse. A couple of months ago, there was a deletion discussion for their younger sister; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princess Johanna of Hesse and by Rhine, who was not on the plane that crashed, but died in childhood due to meningitis. The result of that discussion was also to redirect. Due to these boys' short lives, there is nothing to say about them that wouldn't be covered in the article about one of their parents. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable -- Devokewater @ 23:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom,non notable people. Smeat75 ( talk) 00:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and yes redirect to the father. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 01:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - As of Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine his notability is mentioned in the article "He was the first great-great-great-grandchild of Queen Victoria". Only one person can be this, and as it is it happens to be Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine. And for this nomination in general it's improper, since it suggests "The content of the articles is identical" which they are not. Therefore this is from the beginning a biased and improper nomination. Oleryhlolsson ( talk) 04:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's just genealogical trivia. He has not received significant coverage for being anyone's "first great-great-great-grandchild". Surtsicna ( talk) 11:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: The nom covered this very well. The topic fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. There are no reliable sources independent of the subject that cover anything directly and indepth about this individual because they have done absolutely nothing notable. Being related to a public figure is not notable WP:INVALIDBIO WP:NOTINHERITED. Wikipedia is WP:NOTGENEALOGY of non-notable members in royal families.   // Timothy :: talk 04:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to his father's article. I would not oppose a merger to his father's article, but his death has been extensively covered in books and in The Crown. Bearian ( talk) 23:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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